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How will engineers make a lighter, slimmer ipad with a retina display that maintains the same battery life? IGZO glass with single light bar? Is this going to happen by March-April?
 
I agree. A difference of 1.8" between the mini and iPad 4 doesn't seem quite right. The only question is how will the market respond to a larger 11"+ iPad that wants to replace your laptop.

It's a diagonal measurement, so that 1.8" makes for a 50% larger screen.

An 11" iPad will not happen. Just get a laptop.
 
I agree. A difference of 1.8" between the mini and iPad 4 doesn't seem quite right. The only question is how will the market respond to a larger 11"+ iPad that wants to replace your laptop.

When I was in Best Buy and put the mini next to the normal iPad, I was kinda surprised at really barely the difference in screen size between then two sizes. You would assume that the iPad is much bigger in terms of viewing screen size...but really it's not that much bigger.

It's the bezel that really makes the iPad so big.

They could keep the overall size of the iPad the exact same but make the screen bigger (11") by doing the same thing they did on the mini..reduce the bezel.

As for the laptop, I know a lot of people that don't even have a laptop anymore..they just have an iPad. They never needed a laptop or PC to begin with. As for the work people, it would be a welcome size to have more screen real estate.
 
I agree. A difference of 1.8" between the mini and iPad 4 doesn't seem quite right. The only question is how will the market respond to a larger 11"+ iPad that wants to replace your laptop.

It depends on the weight, resolution and price. If it weight over 1.44 lb (the current Ipad 3/4 weight), it is probably a no-go. it will become too hard to handle with one hand with the bigger size. If the resolution is 1024x768, it will probably look pretty bad with the bigger screen size, so it is a no go as well. If all the new technology that make it happen cause the tablet to be much over $600 to start, it is probably a no-go either. We need to see a 2046x1536 Ipad 5 that weight in the 0.7-0.8lb at the current $500 to start price point before we can even dream of a 11" + ipad that will work well.. The technology is not there yet (me think).
 
It's a diagonal measurement, so that 1.8" makes for a 50% larger screen.

An 11" iPad will not happen. Just get a laptop.

By any chance, were you one of the people here who said Apple will never release a smaller iPad? As for getting a laptop, we all know that tablets and laptops are on a collision course.
 
Good job.

Why is the simplest question to ask. The 4th Gen iPad got the A6X right? Still a hot and great processor running on an OS that is very tight and light weight from a resource standpoint.

This sounds like a rumor created by the competition to try and stop prospective buyers from committing.
 
By any chance, were you one of the people here who said Apple will never release a smaller iPad? As for getting a laptop, we all know that tablets and laptops are on a collision course.

Never said that, but have no problem saying an 11" iPad isn't going to happen for so many reasons. An 11" hybrid would be more practical, but who knows if it will ever happen.
 
WHy are people complaiing about faster update cycles? Be happy, you don't need to have always the latest to continue your life!

I have still my iPhone 4S and I like it, my wife still uses her iPad2 and it works great!

Once the difference between the devices in regards to speed or technology will be to big, this will be the time when an upgrade is needed. Not every year or every 6 months.

Just jump one cycle and buy the next generation!

cheers
 
By any chance, were you one of the people here who said Apple will never release a smaller iPad? As for getting a laptop, we all know that tablets and laptops are on a collision course.

not necessarily so, there so many programs that are just too complex or to tedious to use on a tablet.


i see what your saying, but that'll be more of a general consumer, that doesnt use a computer for work, and you dont have to be a tech geek. lets say a complex ERP program, to get ALL the features of that program into a tablet would be crazy. i mean yes you can make a scaled down version, but what if you need all the modules and such? what about microsoft word? excel? etc etc.


yea if its a stay at home mom choosing between the two of course, and if its a college student that just needs it for taking notes and such and doesnt need any applications in microsoft office, than i see why. i can see the student just skipping the labtop and getting a tablet and a cheap desktop for that situation


but i dont think they'll completely go away, but microsoft i think is trying to just combine them into one, lets see how that works out.
 
What a waste of everyone's time.

"New future device could be more be more appealing."
 
Putting out another new iPad just months after the last might do more to hurt Apple than anything Samsung could ever do.

Why? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Anyone that's gotten "burned" by the last update, or even thought about themselves getting burned, will be much less eager to buy. I saw it with two non-technical relatives this Christmas, both of them decided not to get Apple products because they were afraid they would just be outdated in a few months.

Basically all the changes confused the hell out of them and Apple staff wasn't much help because they can't tell you they won't release a brand new one next week.

Apple's secrecy and random release schedule drove those two people to Android. I even tried to get them to go with Apple but they just didn't like all the confusing changes.

I tried explaining the other manufacturers have the same problem and the response from my grandmother was, "Yeah, but Apple is supposed to be the 'easy' choice, if it's not the easy choice anymore why pay extra?"

I had no answer...
 
I think the message from Apple to Consumers is clear:-

"Stop expecting to have the latest model for a pre-determined amount of time before we release a newer model"

Nice move from Apple. The message they're leaving to consumers is: buy an iPad. Once you have one, use it until it gets broken.
 
WHy are people complaiing about faster update cycles? Be happy, you don't need to have always the latest to continue your life!

Imagine gold bullion is sold at 99% purity and you buy 100 troy ounces. Now imagine the very next day the same people that sold you the 99% pure gold are now selling 99.9999% pure gold for the same price.

This instantly makes your "old" gold worth less because no buyer would purchase less gold for the same cost.

The gold people could have told you they were going to start selling Gold 2.0 but they didn't; they just let you buy Gold 1.0 knowing full well it would be vastly less valuable on the very next day.
 
Imagine gold bullion is sold at 99% purity and you buy 100 troy ounces. Now imagine the very next day the same people that sold you the 99% pure gold are now selling 99.9999% pure gold for the same price.

This instantly makes your "old" gold worth less because no buyer would purchase less gold for the same cost.

The gold people could have told you they were going to start selling Gold 2.0 but they didn't; they just let you buy Gold 1.0 knowing full well it would be vastly less valuable on the very next day.

No problem if you are a goldsmith who aggregates value to the gold after doing an artwork. That is, if you use your iPad instead of thinking about selling it, you don't care about its update cycle.

I'm still fine with my Galaxy Note I, no need for upgrading even with the Note II launch.
 
Putting out another new iPad just months after the last might do more to hurt Apple than anything Samsung could ever do.

Why? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Anyone that's gotten "burned" by the last update, or even thought about themselves getting burned, will be much less eager to buy. I saw it with two non-technical relatives this Christmas, both of them decided not to get Apple products because they were afraid they would just be outdated in a few months.

Basically all the changes confused the hell out of them and Apple staff wasn't much help because they can't tell you they won't release a brand new one next week.

Apple's secrecy and random release schedule drove those two people to Android. I even tried to get them to go with Apple but they just didn't like all the confusing changes.

I tried explaining the other manufacturers have the same problem and the response from my grandmother was, "Yeah, but Apple is supposed to be the 'easy' choice, if it's not the easy choice anymore why pay extra?"

I had no answer...

It is one bizzare ranting. :) Most people buy a device when they need it. You seems to think that there is a need to keep buying the latest generation. That would be a problem that you have to fix not Apple. Make more money or do like most of us, buy only when we need to. Which manufacturer release mobile device only once in a year now? Technology is moving so fast that if Apple stick to the once a year release schedule. It is going to miss at least one generation of the display all together. I would say it is best to anger folks like you than losing sales to other vendors who bring the best technology to the market place when it is ready. :D
 
Many of you are insane

Hey people... Apple can release three "new" iPads in a year if it wants to, why do you take that to mean that you have to buy all of them? Are the people that visit this forum who make such ridiculous remarks like "this is getting crazy", "time to milk the herd", and other such nonsense... where is your responsibility in all of this? Are you just a sheep who must buy every new iPad or iPhone iteration put out by Apple? Have you lost control of your brains?

Apple needs to do what it needs to do to keep the hardware competitive and ahead of the curve. If you are so insecure that you feel this is a personal affront by Apple, or that you are somehow obligated to buy every new version Apple puts out there... you've got some major problems in other areas.
 
I think the worry would be Apple's tendency to quickly drop support for "old" models. If they supported all of their devices like PCs are supported with Windows (you get ALL the features if you upgrade, and your 5-10 year old computer can install the latest OS), it wouldn't matter. However, Apple artificially caps the usage of past devices. A perfect example is Siri and the 4S. Of course Siri would have worked on the 4, and 3GS, etc. but they didn't allow it to drive sales of the 4S.

Are we going to see an iPad 4, 5, 6 and 7 over the next two years with complete software parity? I would highly doubt it. The question is, does an accelerated release schedule exacerbate this problem.

Show me this magical 10 year old PC that can run the latest version of Windows. You're also forgetting that new SoCs in mobile devices are becoming much more powerful compared to previous generations. This is unlike PCs where we don't see a huge jump in performance 6-12 months down the line.

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You know who got a new car every 6months? Steve jobs did.

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Find me one web page from the past that calls iphone1 or iBook cheap plastic. If you can't find one, I'll just assume your comment is from an Apple fan that likes to "flip flop" on issues.

He's wasn't a typical, regular person...

Try to not use examples involving Jobs.

Why should he stop to tell the truth?


Because Steve Jobs was WEALTHY. When you're wealthy the normal purchasing rules don't apply to you. A person like that can buy the newest iPad without a second thought.
 
It is one bizzare ranting. :) Most people buy a device when they need it.

Yeah, like at Christmas when they are buying presents.

You seems to think that there is a need to keep buying the latest generation. That would be a problem that you have to fix not Apple. Make more money or do like most of us, buy only when we need to.

You seem to think I think this, which I don't, so I'll ignore it.


Which manufacturer release mobile device only once in a year now?

For everyone that can't seem to grasp this simple concept:

The argument is not that Apple, and no one else, updates their products more than once a year; the argument is that Apple is destroying its own value of being the "easy" brand by confusing the hell out of consumers and making them weary of buying. It's really that simple.

Once Apple has lost the thing that makes them special, the thing that makes them worth more in consumers' eyes, then there is no need to pay for value the consumer no longer perceives.

It does not matter if the reason people devalue something is rational or not; all that matters is that they do it. And people do devalue a device they bought if a newer model is introduced even if it is introduced the very next day.

People are also weary of things that change too much. Especially when that change makes the thing they just bought instantly less valuable.
 
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Putting out another new iPad just months after the last might do more to hurt Apple than anything Samsung could ever do.

Why? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Just how did Apple fool you? Did Apple promise you that it would update the iPad only once a year? Did Apple publicly proclaim that it would update the iPad only once a year?

Anyone that's gotten "burned" by the last update, or even thought about themselves getting burned, will be much less eager to buy. I saw it with two non-technical relatives this Christmas, both of them decided not to get Apple products because they were afraid they would just be outdated in a few months.

With more OEMs entering the tablet space, an iPad would become outdated faster if Apple didn't update it more often. I think Apple will begin a 6 month (or more less) update cycle to match what it does for the MBP.

Basically all the changes confused the hell out of them and Apple staff wasn't much help because they can't tell you they won't release a brand new one next week.

What changes are confusing? That Apple has multiple iPads at different price points?

Apple's secrecy and random release schedule drove those two people to Android. I even tried to get them to go with Apple but they just didn't like all the confusing changes.

Yeah, as if going to Android will solve these issues. Did you also explain to them how the non-Google Android update experience works?

I tried explaining the other manufacturers have the same problem and the response from my grandmother was, "Yeah, but Apple is supposed to be the 'easy' choice, if it's not the easy choice anymore why pay extra?"

I had no answer...

The easy choice would have been to buy the newest iPad (fastest in this case) that you can afford. Why pay extra? The apps. If you couldn't explain that then you don't understand the Android tablet experience.
 
Show me this magical 10 year old PC that can run the latest version of Windows. You're also forgetting that new SoCs in mobile devices are becoming much more powerful compared to previous generations. This is unlike PCs where we don't see a huge jump in performance 6-12 months down the line.


Here is an old crappy 2008 netbook running an ULV Low performance mobile CPU from 2007.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2011906/how-to-optimize-windows-8-on-old-hardware.html?page=1

I still have an old box I made back in 2006 that runs Windows 7 flawlessly. Considering Windows 8 is more optimized and lighter than Windows 7 it should honestly have no issues with a Windows 8 install.

I am sure you can get even older tech to run Windows 8 considering a very low end mobile Celeron from 2007 can run it. Windows 8 is the first revision in the Windows lineup that didn't see a jump in minimum system requirements and actually makes older machines run better than previous revisions.
 
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Hey people... Apple can release three "new" iPads in a year if it wants to, why do you take that to mean that you have to buy all of them? Are the people that visit this forum who make such ridiculous remarks like "this is getting crazy", "time to milk the herd", and other such nonsense... where is your responsibility in all of this? Are you just a sheep who must buy every new iPad or iPhone iteration put out by Apple? Have you lost control of your brains?

Apple needs to do what it needs to do to keep the hardware competitive and ahead of the curve. If you are so insecure that you feel this is a personal affront by Apple, or that you are somehow obligated to buy every new version Apple puts out there... you've got some major problems in other areas.

You are correct. But the obligation is more out of goodwill than out of necessity for a premium consumer brand. Apple customers valued their trustworthy association thinking that they would not be made fools by holding a week old Apple product already getting outdated in the rumour site.

Apple is not obligated to do anything but consumers will start making their moves towards equating Apple with all & sundry.
 
The easy choice would have been to buy the newest iPad (fastest in this case) that you can afford. Why pay extra? The apps. If you couldn't explain that then you don't understand the Android tablet experience.

That is the easy choice for people like us. We are exceptions to the basic driveling mass of consumers. Your average person is going to walk into a store with the expectation to see a low number of choices from Apple products with key pricing to determine where it stands. Now with a faster introduction of products they will have more choices and more confusion as well as the overhanging fact that Apple is going to release a couple new models just around the corner. Should they wait or go with this one and possibly feel like their product is devalued with the next big thing releases a few months later at the same price point. That is why his relatives went with Android, they paid less for the same "perceived" confusing mess.
 
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