None sense. Giving away apples intellectual property to third party is theft, not innovation.
None sense. Giving away apples intellectual property to third party is theft, not innovation.
The eu is giving it away, playing Robin Hood.It’s not theft if you are giving it away yourself.
The EU is giving away nothing. Apple is opening up their platform to 3rd party services as required by law.The eu is giving it away, playing Robin Hood.
Correct and the law(or the eu which is playing Robin Hood) is making Apple give away their ip. I feel like this has been a discussion point over the last two years and thousands of posts.The EU is giving away nothing. Apple is opening up their platform to 3rd party services as required by law.
The EU is not making Apple do anything. Apple has every choice in this to exercise their "pullout game" like the lot of you like to argue.Correct and the law(or the eu which is playing Robin Hood) is making Apple give away their ip. I feel like this has been a discussion point over the last two years and thousands of posts.
No matter what exceptional product the iPods could have been, they would never significantly shift users from Windows to Mac, because Microsoft's monopoly on desktops was (and is) too strong.I don't understand why Apple would want to lock AirPods features anyway. Why not sell more sets by letting people use their full feature set with Androids?
When iPods first came out, you could only sync them with Macs. After they blew up, Apple came to their senses and put out iTunes for Windows and sold that many more iPods as a result. I don't see how this is any different. After all, if you buy a pair of AirPods and find they're great (which they are), wouldn't you be tempted to check out more Apple products? Same with Apple Watch.
The eu is absolutely making Apple do this. I feel all american tech should leave the eu and let eu tech fill the gap. But in reality none of that is happening and the eu knows it and is forcing Apple to give away its ip.The EU is not making Apple do anything. Apple has every choice in this to exercise their "pullout game" like the lot of you like to argue.
Yes it’s taking from one and giving to another. Exactly what the DMA is doing.You do know the story of Robin Hood is that of rich people hoarding food for themselves while leaving the poor to starve right? Robs the rich to give to the poor, opposing the tyrannical rule of unjust lords and sheriffs. So even in your own defense of Apple you are calling them tyrannical overlords who are hoarding riches for themselves and leaving the poor to starve.
Fascinating.
The eu is absolutely making Apple do this. I feel all american tech should leave the eu and let eu tech fill the gap. But in reality none of that is happening and the eu knows it and is forcing Apple to give away its ip.
Yes it’s taking from one and giving to another. Exactly what the DMA is doing.
You’re right, cook won’t give up a shekel. But good for him. Our portfolios benefit.Absolute bollocks. Apple could shut down their EU operations today..they are not forced to stay.
We all know they won't because with Cook at the helm, the money they get from the EU > anything and everything else.
If EU tech stopped serving American companies Apple would seize to exist.The eu is absolutely making Apple do this. I feel all american tech should leave the eu and let eu tech fill the gap.
None of that is happening because that was not even a possibility but fanatic ramblings on forums. In reality, a country determines how businesses gets to operate within it, not the other way around.But in reality none of that is happening and the eu knows it and is forcing Apple to give away its ip.
So the EU being Robin Hood is taking from Apple the tyrannical overlord in your analogy, to give to the poor 3rd party services.Yes it’s taking from one and giving to another. Exactly what the DMA is doing.
Even though the bolded is phrased in a sarcastic, hyperbolic manner the essence of it is true.If EU tech stopped serving American companies Apple would seize to exist.
None of that is happening because that was not even a possibility but fanatic ramblings on forums. In reality, a country determines how businesses gets to operate within it, not the other way around.
So the EU being Robin Hood is taking from Apple the tyrannical overlord in your analogy, to give to the poor 3rd party services.
Did you not use Robin Hood as your analogy? I'm just using your own analogy. What fascinates me is that you are on the side of the tyrant in your Robin Hood analogy.Even though the bolded is phrased in a sarcastic, hyperbolic manner the essence of it is true.
What fascinates me is you seem to be on the side of the tyrant, the eu, playing Robin Hood euphemistically.Did you not use Robin Hood as your analogy? I'm just using your own analogy. What fascinates me is that you are on the side of the tyrant in your Robin Hood analogy.
You think Apple’s stock would tank if AirPods worked better with non-Apple hardware?You’re right, cook won’t give up a shekel. But good for him. Our portfolios benefit.
Meh. I'm not rooting my Z Fold to use a set of Airpods.
Yeah Apple might be interested in stopping this since it's on rooted devices. Could pose a security risk to Find My.Do not root your device for this as it destroys all Android safety features guarding your encrypted data. With an unlocked bootloader the lock screen is no longer preventing access and as of 2025 there are tools out there that will copy off all the device data with an unlocked bootloader.
Yeah Apple might be interested in stopping this since it's on rooted devices. Could pose a security risk to Find My.
So which features work without rooting? The article only says that OnePlus/Oppo users have access to some features without rooting. Many of us are on Samsung devices.You only need to root for select features. The rest is available without.
Let me check my notes...What fascinates me is you seem to be on the side of the tyrant, the eu, playing Robin Hood euphemistically.
At any rate, Apple plays most things close to their best.
So which features work without rooting? The article only says that OnePlus/Oppo users have access to some features without rooting. Many of us are on Samsung devices.
If you are using ColorOS/OxygenOS 16, you don't need root except for customizing transparency mode, setting up hearing aid, and use Bluetooth Multipoint. Changing ANC, conversational awareness, ear detection, and other customizations will work without root. For everyone else: You must have a rooted device with Xposed to use LibrePods
Yes the eu is clearly the facilitator (tyrant) here.Let me check my notes...
- You called the EU Robin Hood which makes Apple the tyrant
Yes the eu is taking money (ip) from its rightful owner.
- The EU wants major platform holders to open their platform to give consumers choice beside what the platform holder dictates
Yes that sentiment is not only limited to one opinion.
- You said "I feel all american tech should leave the eu and let eu tech fill the gap."
If it wasn’t them it would have been another just like there are hundreds of smartphone manufacturers.The only reason Apple can even make the A and M series chips that power every device they sell is because of ASML. They are based in the Netherlands. That's the EU in case you need a map.
I’m rooting for companies not to be over regulated and let the market decide.So just to recap, you are rooting for the villain in your own Robin Hood analogy while demanding the villain cut ties with the only blacksmith capable of making his sword.
If it were up to the eu micro usb would be a standard. That says all one needs to know.What you are saying doesn't even make sense. Think about it rationally: Apple pushed back on RCS, USB-C, 3rd party stores, browser choice, NFC access and the list goes on.
Basically there you are defending legalized theft?Those are things that make Apple devices better for consumers, but in your head that's "theft" because... what? Because Apple isn't the one deciding to give it to you?
You're essentially arguing that user freedom is stealing from corporate control. Which, ironically, proves the EU's point entirely.
Fascinating strategy. It hasn't worked yet for Apple though as more countries begin to enact laws.
As a result, WhatsApp is the messaging standard in most of the world.They don't for the same reasons they don't make iMessage fully interoperable with Android. "iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones" (Craig Federighi).
These are your wordsYes the eu is clearly the facilitator (tyrant) here.
Robin Hood is not the tyrant in the folk law.Correct and the law(or the eu which is playing Robin Hood) is making Apple give away their ip.
That makes no sense, Apple still owns their IP, still sells their phones on the EU market. Regulation is not theft, when the government tells a restaurant they must have fire exits and can't serve spoiled food, they aren't "stealing" the restaurant. They are setting standards for operation. The DMA is simply a building code for digital platforms.Yes the eu is taking money (ip) from its rightful owner.
The sentiment breeds isolationism and as we all know historically, it doesn't work. The world advances because we share ideas across borders. If Apple pulls out of the world market, they seize to be the trillion dollar corporation they are today and even in your fantasy Apple disagrees.Yes that sentiment is not only limited to one opinion.
You think nobody has tried? This isn't a toaster, it is the most complex machine in human history. Canon and Nikon spent billions trying to build EUV machines and gave up. There is no "another" without stealing IPs from other countries.If it wasn’t them it would have been another just like there are hundreds of smartphone manufacturers.
Open your platform so other 3rd party services can thrive is not over regulation. The market is the people and the market through its elected officials have decided they want these platforms to be more open.I’m rooting for companies not to be over regulated and let the market decide.
False. In 2009, the EU didn't pass a law, they asked the industry to voluntarily pick a standard. The industry (including Apple, Samsung, Nokia) signed a "Memorandum of Understanding" to use Micro USB. That didn't stop Apple from making the lighting port and didn't prevent Apple from co-designing the USB-C. And guess what if another standard that is better comes they will happily switch to that one.If it were up to the eu micro usb would be a standard. That says all one needs to know.
Basically you are anti-freedom and consumer right? You are for trillion dollar companies being free to do whatever they want with no laws preventing them from taking advantage of people and preventing freedom of choice.Basically there you are defending legalized theft?
No one said anything about poor Apple. You don't have to buy anything from Apple. There is almost no requirements in life that you need to purchase anything from Apple. You choose to do so. If they make something you like. You purchase it. If your expectations are that it will work perfectly with other things you bought. By now, one would know that to be a mistake. And should do a touch a research to find out for sure.Ah yes, poor AAPL. Imagine a world where what you bought and paid for isn't artificially locked to an ecosystem, what horror it would bring to the stock price.