Oops must've hit a nerve
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Oops must've hit a nerve
Originally Posted by vitzr
Just the right size. I knew Apple would eventually cave in and do the right thing. Their greed knows no limits.
Apple should go for an Extra Large iPod Touch for music, gaming & general net surfing instead of iPad 7.85". I don't see the point of a smaller iPad now that Apple has cornered the 10" tablet market altogether. Allowing your competitors to offer alternatives in smaller format (Kindle & Galaxy 8") is a win-win situations for all.
iPad- mobile, light computing, Asus netbook killer
iPhone-pocketable messenger & communicator, BB killer
iPod Touch XL- gaming & music for teenagers, PSP killer (?)
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Makes sense, but the problem here is really just a naming problem. You can name it iPod or iPad it's still the same thing since it runs same OS, etc.
While it is the same basic OS, there are many iPad-only apps. Although given the way iOS currently works, this device may need its own apps to take full advantage of its particular form factor.
Oops must've hit a nerve
I was talking about a possible 7" inch device. Naming it iPad or iPod doesn't really make a difference. Well on the other hand maybe it makes more sense naming it iPad since iPod is media player and it should at least fit in a pocket, right?
What I'm saying is that if it is called an "iPad", then one might expect it to run iPad specific apps. "iPod" doesn't carry that expectation. However if it has it's own apps, or at lest its own optimized version of apps, then perhaps it shouldn't be called iPad or iPod, instead having a completely unique name.
The iPadPod?
What I'm saying is that if it is called an "iPad", then one might expect it to run iPad specific apps. "iPod" doesn't carry that expectation. However if it has its own apps, or at lest its own optimized version of apps, then perhaps it shouldn't be called iPad or iPod, instead having a completely unique name.
To be honest if Apple wants to remain competitive they need to start offering more options and expanding the marketability of their products, because receiving revenue from only one source of devices isn't good for long term growth.
What about iReaderiBook would fit great, except Apple already used that for iBooks.
It'd actually be far cheaper for them to simply slash the price on the existing models rather than setup production for a smaller device which they would have to design. (I'm not talking external design, but internal.)
I fully agree that you are right in that it probably makes sense now for another tablet form factor to be released to appeal to as broad a consumer base as possible. What with the ipad having established market dominance and currently being viewed as the gold standard with which all subsequent tablets are inevitably compared with.
However, from what I see, people seem to want a 7" ipad primarily as a portable e-reader which they can fit in their coat pocket, for which there are already perfectly viable substitutes available. The main draw of the ipad is that it is crammed chock full of features, which in turn inevitably drives up the price. Which means that if these features do not work as well on a smaller screen, you are paying through your nose for stuff you don't need or cannot use properly.
My suspicion of why Apple did not offer a smaller ipad before is because that would make a number of the uses of the original ipad less efficient (garageband or simple word processing comes to mind), ultimately making it just an overpriced e-reader. The last thing they want is to be suckered into a price war with kindle or nook.
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7" thing is not even a tablet. Anything tablet is considered great for will suck on 7" screen. Even if you increase screen resolution you can't make your fingers smaller, more precise and going back to stylus for all is not an options too.
Obviously there are people that like all kinds of things in all kinds of sizes, but being successful for a company like Apple means you need to have not only a great product, know how to sell it, but also have lineup that makes sense.
If anything Apple will sell iPad 2 for 399 when iPad 3 is introduced and people will line in droves to buy it regardless of it's screen size.
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It doesn't matter if people want it primarily for an ereader. If there's a demand for it, and it uses most of the same parts, hey, I can think of way worst investments. Ultimately people want a lot of gadgets to make their ecosystem complete. They can buy the kindle just to read, but if they want access to all their ios apps too, what options do they have? Try and read on an iphone, or read it on the much heavier ipad. Where's the options that come from having a variety of prouducts?I fully agree that you are right in that it probably makes sense now for another tablet form factor to be released to appeal to as broad a consumer base as possible. What with the ipad having established market dominance and currently being viewed as the gold standard with which all subsequent tablets are inevitably compared with.
However, from what I see, people seem to want a 7" ipad primarily as a portable e-reader which they can fit in their coat pocket, for which there are already perfectly viable substitutes available. The main draw of the ipad is that it is crammed chock full of features, which in turn inevitably drives up the price. Which means that if these features do not work as well on a smaller screen, you are paying through your nose for stuff you don't need or cannot use properly.
My suspicion of why Apple did not offer a smaller ipad before is because that would make a number of the uses of the original ipad less efficient (garageband or simple word processing comes to mind), ultimately making it just an overpriced e-reader. The last thing they want is to be suckered into a price war with kindle or nook.
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Serious gamer? I think Apple will think about normal people first and 'serious gamers" in the 3rd place (if they are lucky).
I read, listen to music, browse the web, check email, make notes, watch videos, and sketch all from my iPad. It does pretty much everything I need in this form factor. The only reason I use my computer anymore is for processor intensive tasks like Photoshop. The thing is even if your desktop OS could run on an ARM-based tablet, and the applications you need ran on ARM processors (no <em>current</em> Mac or Windows software do), you would still ultimately have to compromise on performance. Especially if you want to keep the tablet light and retain a good battery life.I just want a 10" IPS-retina display, lighter than current iPad and running desktop operating system like OSX, Linux or Windows. Convergence is everything to me. I strongly dislike what I read from tons of forum members saying that they want separate gadgets for reading, music listening, browsing, etc. I want entertainment and work in the same device.
I read, listen to music, browse the web, check email, make notes, watch videos, and sketch all from my iPad. It does pretty much everything I need in this form factor. The only reason I use my computer anymore is for processor intensive tasks like Photoshop. The thing is even if your desktop OS could run on an ARM-based tablet, and the applications you need ran on ARM processors (no <em>current</em> Mac or Windows software do), you would still ultimately have to compromise on performance. Especially if you want to keep the tablet light and retain a good battery life.
Maybe, but having a smaller 7 inch device at $399 is still going to eat away at sales just as much as an iPad 2 at $399. The iPad 3 will need to bring some good specs to the table to encourage consumers to buy it and I believe it will. The retina display, a more powerful GPU, and a Cortex A15 based dual-core or quad-core and who knows what else.Running 3 products by slashing the prices means they'll likely see quite heavy cannibalization of their own high-margin products. In my book, thats a worse option than doing the engineering required to pull off a ~7" device.
The only reason the naysayers are so determined to condemn this size is because Apple has not told them they need one...yet. Once Apple starts selling a 7" size (if they do) suddenly everyone will be bragging about how brilliant Apple is. It's the age old pattern that repeats itself over and over. Apple will sell anything to make a buck, as long as they don't let their ego stop them. I'm in no way being critical of Apple, just calling it like it is. Apple has always been highly skilled at convincing & selling.
Best of all is how dramatically my Apple stock has increased in value in the twenty years I've been a shareholder. I got in at $20 per share, now it's through the roof. Thanks to Apple Tax they've made me very wealthy. Never in a million years would I have guessed that all the shares I bought year after year would attain the current share price.
I don't doubt there are many who do follow Apple's every word. Irrational devotion to something or another is part of human nature. But your own perception is far too black and white if you really think it is the only reason that anyone would shoot down the idea.
Well, in all fairness, human beings aren't exactly the best in terms of knowing what they want themselves...![]()
And that's why iOS games are either simple time wasters or crap.
Question: if everything'll suck on a 7", how come these things magically work on a 3.5" iPhone?
Last, i disagree completely with your proposition that a 7" device wouldn't make sense given the overall line. Being a different (sub)class of device, theres certainly room for it. Heck, I'm sure more than a few will end up owning both (7 and 9").
Maybe, but having a smaller 7 inch device at $399 is still going to eat away at sales just as much as an iPad 2 at $399. The iPad 3 will need to bring some good specs to the table to encourage consumers to buy it and I believe it will. The retina display, a more powerful GPU, and a Cortex A15 based dual-core or quad-core and who knows what else.
All games to me are a waste of time, so i personally see no loss here.
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And who said that exactly? To me those things that really work on iPad (text editing, VNC and such) are just something you can do on iPhone, but i wouldn't say it's something i'm comfortable with doing.
That's like digging with a spade compared to digging with hands. it's something you can do if you have no other options, but i wouldn't call it comfortable or working.
10" is a perfect size for most of the people and i think Apple will stick to it. We will know who's right soon anyway.