This is why Apple Laptops are better than PC Laptops

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1nsanity

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slooksterPSV said:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1350606&Sku=A180-1046&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEM983AM

Now if you read that page, the Acer Laptop. Look at how long the 4-cell Lithium-Ion batter holds for. I know iBooks and PB are like 8-cell??? I think...

Found it?

If not, its 1.5 hours battery life. That's not even worth it to purchase it. Apple iBook's can get 6 hours, while Powerbooks can get up to 5 hours. - Under certain usage.

I really dont understand the point of this thread.....
I mean pc laptops have the following:


  • better screen resolutions (far higher resolution even up to 1920x1200 on a 15 inch screen)
    better graphic cards (pci-express for example)
    better cpu (The switch to intel is coming....)
    better HDD(well apple is good with that but some have the option of a 7200rpm)
    better dvd-writers (dvd+-R dual layer etc)
    Many actually have better battery life, the one you pick just happens to cost half of what a 14" iBook costs.

Really I am not a religous person when it comes to computers. I like both mac and pcs since I have to use each of them daily. Then again I still don't understand this thread? what was it about again?

I know I'm being a smartass actually no just stating the obvious, but do we really need another useless topic ?
 

DickArmAndHarT

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What powerbook get 5 hours

What powerbook gets up to 5 hours, the only way i get around 3.5 hours is with the no apps running and the display with no backlight. Its all downhill from there, although i know the 15" has the worst battery life.

My avergae battery life is 1.5 hours,-1 hour doing something work like, and about 2.5 just listening to music.

15" 1ghz

Im switching to a 12" soon liking the portablitiy and the longer battery life.

We have 3 ibooks and there batterys LASt forEVER

Boy they are nice,
 

Over Achiever

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I have a 17" 1 GHz powerbook, with a new battery I use it for TV show watching (CPU intensive) and get nearly 3 hours, if I'm taking notes for class with Word, using powerpoint, and online research, all while playing iTunes in the background (when not in class of course!) I get 4-5 hours.

Quite an improvement over my old dying battery which only lasted an hour x_x
 

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slooksterPSV said:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1350606&Sku=A180-1046&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEM983AM

Now if you read that page, the Acer Laptop. Look at how long the 4-cell Lithium-Ion batter holds for. I know iBooks and PB are like 8-cell??? I think...

Found it?

If not, its 1.5 hours battery life. That's not even worth it to purchase it. Apple iBook's can get 6 hours, while Powerbooks can get up to 5 hours. - Under certain usage.
You have apparently never checked out Sony Vaio systems... T series runs for like 9 hours... You just didn't look very hard and found one of the cheap pc systems; plenty of pc systems will get more battery life than your powerbook.

Edit: spelled apparently wrong, lol
 

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DickArmAndHarT said:
What powerbook gets up to 5 hours, the only way i get around 3.5 hours is with the no apps running and the display with no backlight. Its all downhill from there, although i know the 15" has the worst battery life.

My avergae battery life is 1.5 hours,-1 hour doing something work like, and about 2.5 just listening to music.

15" 1ghz
I'm using a current (as of 16th October 2005)-model 15" 1.5GHz Powerbook, and the only time my battery icon in the menubar has shown 4 hours or more remaining is when I wake it up from sleep, and it shows about 130 hours - briefly.

The only thing that disappoints me with this PB is its battery life, which I find pretty awful. I don't do processor-intensive stuff, mainly just using Safari, Word and iTunes (not all at the same time).

Most of the time, I run this thing off mains, because the battery life can get so bad.


Mind you, my dad's 4 year old iBook (G3 500MHz) lasts 20mins from a full charge :D That's just booting up (OS9.2.1), and running Internet Explorer.
 

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I have a really hard time believing a laptop can't get over 1.5 hrs, unless it's a Pentium 4. Just put the cpu on "automatic" or "battery saving". If you need it on highest settings, then you should just be using the adapter.
 

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1nsanity said:
I really dont understand the point of this thread.....
I mean pc laptops have the following:


  • better screen resolutions (far higher resolution even up to 1920x1200 on a 15 inch screen)
    better graphic cards (pci-express for example)
    better cpu (The switch to intel is coming....)
    better HDD(well apple is good with that but some have the option of a 7200rpm)
    better dvd-writers (dvd+-R dual layer etc)
    Many actually have better battery life, the one you pick just happens to cost half of what a 14" iBook costs.

Really I am not a religous person when it comes to computers. I like both mac and pcs since I have to use each of them daily. Then again I still don't understand this thread? what was it about again?

I know I'm being a smartass actually no just stating the obvious, but do we really need another useless topic ?
Well put 1nsanity, I must say it is ashame that windows pc laptops... built with some attention and design is starting to outpace mac laptops such as the powerbook. I am a big fan of macs but you must agree that wintel has tried really hard to bridge the gap in hardware specs. I can even remember the day when everything in a TiBook has all the premium hardware you need such as a great screen that no wintel laptops can match. Slim form, and many more. However, Apple is losing in terms of what it can offer. There isnt much that Apple can offer now in terms of hardware that wintels cant match or beat. ::Sighs::

Don't get me wrong, I am still gonna buy a mac whenever I can, but at this point its sad to see that apple has lost its will to outperform wintel. I guess we will have to wait for mactel books to see most of those features in a midlevel pc laptop.
 

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When I dim my screen, mute the sound (turn off the sound card), turn off BT and am not using the airport card I easily get around 5 hours on my battery on my Powerbook.
 

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1nsanity said:

  • better screen resolutions (far higher resolution even up to 1920x1200 on a 15 inch screen)
    better graphic cards (pci-express for example)
    better cpu (The switch to intel is coming....)
    better HDD(well apple is good with that but some have the option of a 7200rpm)
    better dvd-writers (dvd+-R dual layer etc)
    Many actually have better battery life, the one you pick just happens to cost half of what a 14" iBook costs.
Ohhh. I was wondering how they acheived the plastic-brick thing. :D
 

1nsanity

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epepper9 said:
Ohhh. I was wondering how they acheived the plastic-brick thing. :D

Well not all pc laptops are ugly.
Also I like how apple put all its effort in design and every detail it can.
But then again I need a computer for usefullness.
I hope Apple will deliver or else I will have to admit pcs might be what I need.
Don't get me wrong I have a lot of hopes in the mactel transition, but lets all remmember it'll be out when its out, only then will we know if its all that great!
 

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thomasp said:
I'm using a current (as of 16th October 2005)-model 15" 1.5GHz Powerbook, and the only time my battery icon in the menubar has shown 4 hours or more remaining is when I wake it up from sleep, and it shows about 130 hours - briefly.

The only thing that disappoints me with this PB is its battery life, which I find pretty awful. I don't do processor-intensive stuff, mainly just using Safari, Word and iTunes (not all at the same time).

Most of the time, I run this thing off mains, because the battery life can get so bad.
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i'm using a may 2004 (rev. C?) 15", 1.5ghz PB and i get routinely 2.5-3 hrs of battery time. that is not using the superdrive, surfing the web via airport, word, excel, photoshop, powerpoint presentations. no music, screen almost full brightness. settings are standard for battery use in system prefs.

it's not great but o.k.. when i set everthing low and do only word and excel stuff 3.5 hrs are often possible. compared to most notebooks thats good. you need a think pad or a vaio the be better. and they are not cheap either.
 

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1nsanity said:
I really dont understand the point of this thread.....
I mean pc laptops have the following:
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I know I'm being a smartass actually no just stating the obvious, but do we really need another useless topic ?
I have to agree with 1nsanity. Starting a whole thread on battery life and using it as the sole reason to bash Windows laptops against Mac laptops is pointless. As everybody can tell, how long your battery lasts depends a lot on how you use it. There's a lot more to the built-in default battery life. Besides, there are lots of aftermarket batteries with greater capacities.

I have an HP TC4200 tablet that can get up to 5 hours under optimal settings. It's a great form factor: excellent keyboard plus the ability to write and work in digital ink. I wish Apple made a tablet, but they don't, so I'm sort of stuck in Windows for a while. I think arguing about OS capability is a lot more convincing than getting stuck on battery life.

By the way, Electrovoya makes tablets with claims of up to 9 hours. Even if that's optimistic, it's going to last a lot more than just 5 or 6 hours.
 

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The main point of this thread is why buy a laptop if it's not meant for over 4 or 4+ hours of portability. It's just not a laptop then.
 

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slooksterPSV said:
The main point of this thread is why buy a laptop if it's not meant for over 4 or 4+ hours of portability. It's just not a laptop then.
I know many people that buy certain laptops that have next to no battery life for purposes of replacing their desktop, saves them plenty of space on their desk, gives them superior performance and allows some travel.

There is no point to this thread.

As pointed out, the advantage of an Apple laptop, is the design, and operating system.
 

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Zman5225 said:
I know many people that buy certain laptops that have next to no battery life for purposes of replacing their desktop, saves them plenty of space on their desk, gives them superior performance and allows some travel.

There is no point to this thread.

As pointed out, the advantage of an Apple laptop, is the design, and operating system.
It's true, I was just amazed at this laptop in particular (see post #1). I must post odd/nonsense posts when I'm getting sick. Right now I have like a cold or that. So yeah, I think we can drop/trash this thread. Besides in Mac Peripherals I have a Fun Idea Mac Mod Thread I like thinking. Example Mac Mini in SNES Casing, SNES9x Emulator, and the Snes games you own on the Mac (NO ILLEGAL ONES)
 

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Ha. Although i have recently just purchased my first mac, i been using macs for a while. I been using them for about 4 yrs (was in graphic arts program for 4 yrs in HS) and i must say..

I do love my powerbook.. but when it comes to money vs. what you get.. in terms of pure tech specs.. pc's win! :)

Like people said apple laptops arent bad with batterys.. but my friend who has a dell 6000 or something..gets like 5.5 hrs (he bought the extended battery).. but still. It was only $90 more and 5.5 hrs isnt bad at all. That is a hour more than my 12 inch pb gets. Some sony's and high-end laptops keeping portability in mind get 6+ hrs..

IDk.. acer isn't exactly top of the line.. n i think its fair that when comparing pc vs. apple we shuld be using atleast ether the top or close to the top of the line computers..
 

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i4k20c said:
Ha. Although i have recently just purchased my first mac, i been using macs for a while. I been using them for about 4 yrs (was in graphic arts program for 4 yrs in HS) and i must say..

I do love my powerbook.. but when it comes to money vs. what you get.. in terms of pure tech specs.. pc's win! :)

Like people said apple laptops arent bad with batterys.. but my friend who has a dell 6000 or something..gets like 5.5 hrs (he bought the extended battery).. but still. It was only $90 more and 5.5 hrs isnt bad at all. That is a hour more than my 12 inch pb gets. Some sony's and high-end laptops keeping portability in mind get 6+ hrs..

IDk.. acer isn't exactly top of the line.. n i think its fair that when comparing pc vs. apple we shuld be using atleast ether the top or close to the top of the line computers..
Laptop wise I wouldn't. Why? Because the TOTL computers are 64-bit - and a lot of minor/major differences. Example: Video Cards, Video Memory, RAM Specs - you'll never find a PC laptop that has those exact same specifications as an Apple Laptop in those terms - besides Apple is better than PC. I could get a PC, but I love Apple a lot more so I'm getting an Apple.
 

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slooksterPSV said:
The main point of this thread is why buy a laptop if it's not meant for over 4 or 4+ hours of portability. It's just not a laptop then.
In defense of the Windows world, not all Windows laptops get poor battery life. Yes, Apple's battery life is on the high end of the laptop spectrum, but there are a lot of Windows choices with comprable battery life.
 

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1nsanity said:
I really dont understand the point of this thread.....
I mean pc laptops have the following:


  • better screen resolutions (far higher resolution even up to 1920x1200 on a 15 inch screen)
    better graphic cards (pci-express for example)
    better cpu (The switch to intel is coming....)
    better HDD(well apple is good with that but some have the option of a 7200rpm)
    better dvd-writers (dvd+-R dual layer etc)
    Many actually have better battery life, the one you pick just happens to cost half of what a 14" iBook costs.
I'd better start by saying that I do find the current PBs comparatively disappointing, and I use a Thinkpad, which I find to a be a great little machine. And I agree it's ridiculous to compare battery life of a single PC laptop with PBs.

However ...

... it's true that there are PC laptops with items in your list, but few if any have all of them.

Long battery life tends to be mutually exclusive with good GPU, fast CPU and fast HDs. Building a good laptop is a matter of compromise.

For instance, the only Dell laptop that doesn't have integrated graphics and with a better GPU (and PCI-express isn't going to mean squat in general use) than the PowerBook is the XPS. It is twice the weight of the PB and its battery lasts an hour, and is more expensive.

Thinkpads are generally accepted to be one of the highest quality laptops out there, and the one closest to the PB in general specs (all but CPU and screen resolution) costs $500 more. For that, you get a 2.13GHz P-M and a higher resolution screen (I'm on the side of 100dpi is perfect for screen resolution, ie. the current PB resolution, but that's because my 40 yr old eyesight can't manage anything higher without giving me headaches), so yes, it's better but also more expensive.

Good battery life comes with low voltage, which means low GHz. The 9 hour battery life PC laptops you get tend to be ULV Pentium-Ms with < 1.4 GHz CPUs. These are also more expensive than the normal laptops.

So you can get a PC laptop with a fast CPU, great GPU, fast HD. high res screen, but you can't travel with it, and you're chained to a desk with it.

One more thing, three years ago, the fastest PB was 1GHz, the fast P-M was 1.6GHz. In that time the PB G4 speed has increased by 67% while the P-M has increased by 40%, so the G4 has actually caught up with the P-M ...
 

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plinden said:
One more thing, three years ago, the fastest PB was 1GHz, the fast P-M was 1.6GHz. In that time the PB G4 speed has increased by 67% while the P-M has increased by 40%, so the G4 has actually caught up with the P-M ...
hmm, a very interesting point. Something to think about when complaining about motorola, I guess.

As others have said, PC laptops vary too much to make a blanket statement about their battery lives. That said, I'm very happy with the battery life on my ibook - around 4 hours with full brightness, typing in word, and airport on. Turn AE off and it goes to more like 4.5; turn down the brightness and I don't even know cause i've never needed to.
 

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This is the dumbest comparison EVER. This is ONE laptop out of THOUSANDS of others. Not including its the HARDWARE's fault for its horrible battery life not its software.


The REASON why this laptop has a 1.5hr battery life is NOT it has a window software in it suddenly drains the bananas out of the battery. Its more that the CPU is NOT a mobile chip. Semperons are designed NOT for laptops but for cheap desktops. They arent designed around the idea of mobility and power conservation. Simple as that. This proves NO point between why Mac trumps a PC.


If you were talk about battery life I can show you laptops that have far better battery life than that of the macs. Does that mean PCs are better than Macs? Of course not.


Plinden, about those stats of G4 CPU has caught up. If you think of it like that yes it has TECHNICALLY "caught up." However Intel and AMD are NOT just driving up the speed of the CPU. CPU companies have found that its not so much the clockspeed that is important. Its more about the cache, the FSB, the architecture of the chip and the sizes of the chip that actually makes the CPU better. If you keep the FSB, cache, architecture of the G4 and have the clock speed at 10ghz vs a 1ghz Intel chip with insane FSB, cache, architecture, the Intel would still trump it in everything. Clockspeeds arent that important anymore as it use to be
 

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plinden said:
... it's true that there are PC laptops with items in your list, but few if any have all of them.
It is true, I do agree...but

There are many that can be found for a lot less than the selling price of a powerbook.

My friend bought himself an asus barebone A71V (graphic card : nvidia 6600 go 128meb pci-express) with the following components(bought seperatly):

Intel Dothan 2.0ghz
2x1024meg Corsair DDR2 533mhz (sodimm)
Dvd drive-+R dual layer
Intel Wireless a/b/g (built-in not from pcmcia)
Fujitsu 80gig 5400rpm


The fun part is that all that cost him 2000$CND tax included everything. 2000$ is still lower than a 12inch powerbook with combo drive.

OH yeah and the screen resolution is 1680x1050 (15.4").

What surprised me the most was that the laptop itself was kind nice and the battery lasts longuer than 1.5 hour ;) even with a cpu that fast!