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This is why they should have put NFC in the iPhone Edit: Google Security Trouble

Stealthipad said:
It is better that bringing the iPhone assembly to the USA where they would have to use UNION labor and your iPhone would cost over a $100 each and have lower quality!

Apple is a prime example of the free market and the PRIVATE SECTOR doing what it does best!:apple:
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So your saying kill Asians and save $100 bucks?

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ucfgrad93 said:
Yeah, I'm sure that is part of Apple's mission statement.:rolleyes:
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Their mission statement is to make as much money at all cost, and if a couple of Asians jump to their death then oh well. We made profit
 
marine0816 said:
So your saying kill Asians and save $100 bucks?

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Their mission statement is to make as much money at all cost, and if a couple of Asians jump to their death then oh well. We made profit
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You really are doing a bit much with the whole killing Asians thing.....


..So ANYWAY...yeah I hope the next iPhone has NFC capabilities. It would be nice to have my bus pass, credit card, and word badge all in one place. That would be so convenient.
 
marine0816 said:
Their mission statement is to make as much money at all cost, and if a couple of Asians jump to their death then oh well. We made profit
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I assume that you are just as mad at other companies that use FoxConn as well, right? Or are you just trolling Apple sites?
 
ucfgrad93 said:
I assume that you are just as mad at other companies that use FoxConn as well, right? Or are you just trolling Apple sites?
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Troll is like the word of the day every day on the site?? I just have a little heart for people that jump to their death. I'm sorry if you think that's trolling.
 
marine0816 said:
So your saying kill Asians and save $100 bucks?

$400

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Their mission statement is to make as much money at all cost, and if a couple of Asians jump to their death then oh well. We made profit
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They put fencing on all the balconies so that it is very hard to jump now.:eek:
 
marine0816 said:
Apple will save as much money by omitting features which will result in further deaths of Chinese workers. Apple don't care, it's all about making money and killing Asians
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marine0816 said:
So your saying kill Asians and save $100 bucks?

Their mission statement is to make as much money at all cost, and if a couple of Asians jump to their death then oh well. We made profit
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marine0816 said:
Troll is like the word of the day every day on the site?? I just have a little heart for people that jump to their death. I'm sorry if you think that's trolling.
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Your statements on this thread are not just having a little heart for the FoxCon employees who have committed suicide. You are basically accusing Apple of murder.

And you ignored my question: Do you hold other companies that use FoxCon as accountable as Apple or is your outrage selective?
 
ucfgrad93 said:
Your statements on this thread are not just having a little heart for the FoxCon employees who have committed suicide. You are basically accusing Apple of murder.

And you ignored my question: Do you hold other companies that use FoxCon as accountable as Apple or is your outrage selective?
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Murder?? Well involuntary manslaughter will probably be stretching it. but certainly not out of this world.. All companies are guilty but it seems Apple is making the most money which in return is demanding the most deaths.
 
MonkeySee.... said:
I think its pretty cool. Don't think its quite ready for mobile phones yet. In the UK i've only really noticed it in the McDonalds.

I think its probably best implemented when its matured a bit.
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Starbucks have it too.

Very few and far between though in the uk. I've had a contact less debit card for about a year but haven't been able to use it yet.
 
mysterioustko said:
I disagree, it isn't cumbersome at all to input the pin. You tap, input the pin, tap again. It all takes seconds, it doesn't make it any more difficult or tedious at all. As for security, if you lose your phone a person can't use your nfc capability for charges without the pin. Even if they did eventually somehow hack the phone and got the pin, that is still much more secure than just dropping a credit card and someone finding it. A person finding your phone would not have your credit card number whereas a person finding your credit card instantly has your card number, name, and ccv on the back. NFC is WAY MORE SECURE.
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I agree, to a point. But whats the difference between getting your phone out, swiping it, typing in your pin, versus getting your card out, swiping it, typing in your pin? Nothing.
And person swiping your CC doesn't have your PIN...unless they've shoulder surfed and got it. Which does happen on a daily basis.
What I'm saying is that I don't see much difference or benefits of NFC versus what is already out there.

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kalex said:
1) Don't see an issue with this. Don't leave your phone :) I have yet to leave my phone and my wallet and credit card at any retailers.

2) NFC is actually a combination of technology. Its not just PIN. When you add a credit card to your phone to use you will get same protection as u do with credit cards.

3) True but it will and is currently changing. When I had my NS4G it was usable in pretty much any store I shop at. I still have my wallet with me but I was able to pay with the phone everywhere I needed to. Only issue was that it was linked to citibank cards only at this time. I did however had thank you rewards on it so i still got same points. Google is offering incentives to businesses so eventually it will pickup. Also what I would like to see is integration with reward cards. That would be awesome.
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I don't think anyone intends to leave their phone, or wallet, anywhere. But it does happen. So you have to take account for this fact.
While NFC can combine technologies, it also has the short comings of them as well. So what do we gain? If I add all my cards to my phone, then its stolen, I've lost all my card information. Its a very sickening feeling when that happens.
I'm not against this. And I'm sure I don't know everything there is about it. But I don't see any advantages of NFC that over come the disadvantages of it that would be worth the risk of having it.
Thats all I'm saying. Maybe in time, we'll be there. But right now I just don't see it.
 
marine0816 said:
Apple will save as much money by omitting features which will result in further deaths of Chinese workers. Apple don't care, it's all about making money and killing Asians
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How can anyone take anything you say seriously?

What say you about the US suicide rate being higher than that of Foxconn employees? Maybe they're offing themselves because they can't afford an iDevice.
 
NFC on iPhone 5/6, payment link to iTunes account, Apple takes 30% on all purchases, Apple stock goes over $1,000 in 2013.
 
mysterioustko said:
I've never really thought the whole checking ID was all that secure anyway. A person can very easily have a fake ID made to match the name on the card. Heck here in GA, the temporary ID's are printed on a piece of paper and that's what you carry until your plastic one arrives. A person can easily print their own and just keep it in the window of their wallet. It isn't like retailers make you take it out of the window anyway.
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Here is my view on the matter: If I lose a credit card, wallet, etc, it won't be lost for days before I notice, rather hours, at most. As such, if someone were to try and use my card it would be within hours of losing it, not days. It wouldn't be days because I would be vigilant about calling all of my CC companies and canceling immediately. A guy that has time to find my card, make a believable fake ID, and go buy a Jet (exaggeration ofc) in a matter of 1-2 hours probably deserves my money more than I do! LOL ;)
 
iceterminal said:
I agree, to a point. But whats the difference between getting your phone out, swiping it, typing in your pin, versus getting your card out, swiping it, typing in your pin? Nothing.
And person swiping your CC doesn't have your PIN...unless they've shoulder surfed and got it. Which does happen on a daily basis.
What I'm saying is that I don't see much difference or benefits of NFC versus what is already out there.
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For me, it's much easier to pull my phone out than it is to pull out my wallet and select a card. My phone is always on my hip (holster) whereas my wallet is in my pocket. It's not a massive difference but it is more convenient. Especially at a drive through. It's much easier for me to just take my phone off the dash and tap the reader at dairy queen than it is to try to dig in my pocket sitting down. But also the biggest benefit is probably security. It's a lot easier for someone to pick up a card they found and use it, than it is for them to pick up a phone, hack it and break the encryption, and then use the phone.

lordofthereef said:
Here is my view on the matter: If I lose a credit card, wallet, etc, it won't be lost for days before I notice, rather hours, at most. As such, if someone were to try and use my card it would be within hours of losing it, not days. It wouldn't be days because I would be vigilant about calling all of my CC companies and canceling immediately. A guy that has time to find my card, make a believable fake ID, and go buy a Jet (exaggeration ofc) in a matter of 1-2 hours probably deserves my money more than I do! LOL ;)
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Yeah I get what you mean. I just still never thought the whole checking ID really was all that secure. But hey, it's better than the signature card verification that the credit card companies actually require (that hardly any retailer actually does).
 
iceterminal said:
I agree, to a point. But whats the difference between getting your phone out, swiping it, typing in your pin, versus getting your card out, swiping it, typing in your pin? Nothing.
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What's the difference between carrying a pager, a cell phone and an iPod versus carrying an iPhone?

It's the same argument. If I can consolidate the number of items I need to walk around with, I'm happy. Why carry the phone and a wallet full of cards when you could just have the phone?
 
aluren said:
NFC on iPhone 5/6, payment link to iTunes account, Apple takes 30% on all purchases, Apple stock goes over $1,000 in 2013.
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I would say that the 30% arrangement is VERY unlikely for NFC, but if you want to toss out wild speculations...

Suppose Apple turns your Apple ID in to a PayPal competitor? Instead of linking it to a credit card, you link it to your Bank Account. Now you pay for everything online or IRL (theoretically) with your Apple ID. No need for credit cards at all. Bye bye Visa, MasterCard, Discover and American Express, and Apple gets that 3% cut of every purchase, not your credit card company.

Now take it one step further. Suppose Apple says, skip the bank and just hold your money with us. We'll pay a 2% return on your savings, and give you a 10% discount on all iTunes purchases. I'd bet millions of 20-somethings would rather put their weekly paycheck in an Apple account than at some random bank that charges them a $2 ATM fee to get it back out. Bye-bye Chase, Citibank, HSBC, etc. Apple gets interest from all that money sitting in their accounts, and becomes one of the largest financial institutions in the world.

Again, it's all pie-in-the-sky fantasy, but if you let your mind wander, there's lots Apple could do with that 100 Billion they've stockpiled.

And it would be great for the share price of my APPL stock!
 
I have NFC on my credit card. I've never used it because I've never seen the symbol that means its available. Mind you, I live in somewhat rural Scotland and things tend to take a long to to percolate from civilization. In any case, I couldn't care less about NFS. Now, if it were possible to replace my stupid &^$%#*$%@# paper passport at airports, then that would be worth getting excited about.
 
thanks for bringing this to my attention, i'm way more excited about NFC now that it adds a gangsta soundtrack to my everyday shopping
 
Now this could be a game changer:

MasterCard Is Killing U.S. Credit Card Magnetic Strips, While Pushing NFC Tech

If MasterCard is going to force all retailers to upgrade their card readers to NFC machines by this time next year, that makes the likelyhood of NFC support in the iPhone MUCH higher.

I'm actually shocked that MasterCard is willing to draw this line in the sand, and make it a requirement so quickly. It's a gutsy move, and I love it.
 
Yikes why would I want google to know what I buy?So they can snoop and bombard with ads for beef jerky and porn(Mostly what I buy lol).Also I can only imagine the risks of identity theft.The credit/debit cards already the ability to have their NFC signal captured by a thief by taping your back pocket and stealing your money imagine on phones?
 
Interesting that men are talking about still needing their wallet in their (easily accessible) pocket.

As mentioned elsewhere, my daughter in Florida loves having NFC on her new phone, because she almost always has her phone handy... far more than digging for her wallet inside her purse.

Every day with her phone she buys gas, fast food, items at the pharmacy, and has used it at Best Buy, Home Depot and Radio Shack.

She's not a techie. To her, NFC is just so much easier to use while dragging around a three year old... and she can often leave her purse behind.
 
chameleon said:
Now this could be a game changer:

MasterCard Is Killing U.S. Credit Card Magnetic Strips, While Pushing NFC Tech

If MasterCard is going to force all retailers to upgrade their card readers to NFC machines by this time next year, that makes the likelyhood of NFC support in the iPhone MUCH higher.

I'm actually shocked that MasterCard is willing to draw this line in the sand, and make it a requirement so quickly. It's a gutsy move, and I love it.
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Erm... doesn't the article say that MasterCard is simply moving to a chip and pin system (which in Europe uses a magnetic strip plus a passcode)? If so, this would actually hinder the adoption of NFC, unless new machines offer chip-n-pin and NFC. Or have I missed something?
 
cynics said:
Figured it would only be a matter of time. Like the article says its still harder to hack into a stolen phone then use a stolen credit card.

What is scary is that all you have to do is reset google wallets data then enter a new pin and then it resyncs your credit card.

Another good reason to use a passcode on the phone itself.
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Yeah I think the problem where a person can simple clear the data from Google Wallet and set a new pin is a much larger problem than the one that effects only rooted devices. With the one that reads your pin, the device has to be rooted and it requires using that hacking app, whereas clearing the data is possible on 100% of all devices, thus meaning it's a security hole that effects 100% of all users that have Google Wallet.

VulchR said:
Erm... doesn't the article say that MasterCard is simply moving to a chip and pin system (which in Europe uses a magnetic strip plus a passcode)? If so, this would actually hinder the adoption of NFC, unless new machines offer chip-n-pin and NFC. Or have I missed something?
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Same thing I was thinking when I read that too. Seems like that would be counter-productive as far as NFC is concerned.
 
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