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This new iOS should come with a warning

Apple are quite aware that the larger portion of converts won't ever go back to Windows ever again, but it does not excuse the fact I can't plug my iPhone into my only 4 year old laptop to back up without installing a whole new operating system that I didn't sign up to when I first bought it. I want to use Snow Leopard. My choice. And all back ups from my previous 2 iPhones are on my MBP.

There has to be another piece of software out there that can back up your phone and not worry about their mostly lousy software updates? It's not rocket science.

Apple should have that facility for people who buy iPhones and don't use iTunes. iCloud backups should not be the only alternative. We should be able to plug phone into whatever device and back up iPhone files. Even if it was an iPad. I'd buy one just to back up the phone.
 
Can you not make a second partition and install a newer OSX next to your old OSX? Then just jump into the newer OSX for iPhone stuff once in a while. The Windows side is where you want to be if you want to have your software supported for 10 or so years at a time (Windows 7 is supported to at least 2020).

There are a few 3rd party apps to manage your iPhone, but I'm not sure if they work for iOS 9 yet. It isn't rocket science, but Apple doesn't allow others to modify anything on iOS devices.

The facility for using an iPhone without iTunes really doesn't exist, aside from iCloud. Android phones use a cloud based backup as they don't have a dedicated piece of software like iTunes and music is just a copy/paste to the phone.

Using an iPad for backups will not work, because one day there will be iOS 12 (for example) and your iPad will not be supported and you will need to update the iOS version on the iPad.
 
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thanks Crusin, I've only the 320GB drive, and there's rarely more than 7 or 8 GB free at any one time, so being able to run anything along side is a no go. I bought mine barely a month before they introduced the 500GB, typically... I'm going to get bullied into updating and then no doubt regret it,

Presumably, as iPad runs the same iOS as phone it can't back up phone anyway can it, plus it doesn't have iTunes.

If anyone does SL to El Capitan, please let me know if you have had a good experience? Thanks.
 
Peter Franks said:
thanks Crusin, I've only the 320GB drive, and there's rarely more than 7 or 8 GB free at any one time, so being able to run anything along side is a no go.
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You should install a larger capacity hard drive (12.5 mm tall MAX) if you are that low on space, since your laptop will be (usually) slower if it is that low on space. Then you can put your current 320 GB into an enclosure and have a nifty external drive. 1000 GB drives are relatively cheap. You can also install a copy of OSX onto an external drive and then boot from that drive as needed.

iPads and iPhones have iTunes, but just the store portion. In any case, they want to sell you iCloud storage so the backup mechanism of choice is iCloud not another iOS device.
 
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Thank you if I can have a separate OS X on an external drive that'd be brilliant. Could I have El Capitan on a drive and still keep the SL on the MBP?
 
Peter Franks said:
Thank you if I can have a separate OS X on an external drive that'd be brilliant. Could I have El Capitan on a drive and still keep the SL on the MBP?
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I run my Mac OS from an external drive. Works fine even if you have two different flavors of Mac OS X. I would like to also recommend VMWare but I don't know how to get an older copy of Mac OS X to run in there.
 
Peter Franks said:
Thank you if I can have a separate OS X on an external drive that'd be brilliant. Could I have El Capitan on a drive and still keep the SL on the MBP?
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You can always install a newer OSX side by side to an older OSX (or even the same OSX to have two versions), as long as your machine is supported. You can use any drive as an external, but faster drives are obviously better and thunderbolt drives are better than USB 2. For external installation: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202796

Virtual machines are ok if you have spare CPU power and spare ram (at least 2 GB free) since your machine is going to be running two "machines" at once. Virtual Box is a free app, VMWare is a paid app.
 
Thank you guys for your answers. Much appreciated.

I understand I will lose GarageBand and iDVD if I overlay El Capitan on SL. Is that right, and will I also lose my Word/Office/Photoshop? How does that work
 
If you go side by side then you keep your old computer, and use the new install just for the iPhone. If you replace everything with El Capitan then you only get what is included with OSX (so no office or photoshop).
 
Thanks. That's a no go then on an overall. I'll have to give the external a go. Thanks again. Can I get back iDVD and garage?
 
If these apps show up on the App Store under purchases, then you can redownload them. Or you can copy the app from the Applications folder from one OSX to another since they are self contained.

Office and Photoshop use installers, so you can't just copy the apps. Do you have the original installers?
 
Office and Photoshop I have discs for but don't think I can use the code and download disc again. Not sure. Plus they're 4 years old so may not even be compatible with updated OS X. iDVD and garage were already loaded with MBP when I bought it.
 
You should be able to, you are still the original user.

Unless you can find idvd and garage in the app store you can go to your applications folder and copy the apps directly.
 
Interesting.

I had a similar issue with an iPhone donated to me - wait for it, a 3G :eek:

At the time I was running 10.4.11 on intel CPU.

When attempting to upgrade the iOS version on the iPhone via iTunes, it blocked me from upgrading to the highest version for the 3Gs, instead offering the previous 4.0.x version.

After checking out why I couldn't get the highest version, I discovered that the version of iTunes I was running (9.x) was supposedly incompatible with that version (4.2.x) of iOS.

iTunes v10.0 required MacOS 10.5 or later.

So, it seems that iTunes CAN prevent an upgrade to a version of iOS that is incompatible with the version of iTunes currently installed.

I've re-read the OP's post and conclude that you used iTunes to upgrade rather than performing the upgrade via the iPhone itself. Is that correct? If so, that's a pretty poor move by Apple, considering that it's been shown to be previously possible to block users from upgrading an iPhone to an incompatible version of iOS.

I don't care if Apple makes older MacOS and iTunes versions incompatible, but I DO care that Apple makes the end-user experience more friendly by avoiding putting users through a situation like this.

Just my 2c - and probably only worth that.
 
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You should be able to, you are still the original user.

Unless you can find idvd and garage in the app store you can go to your applications folder and copy the apps directly.
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Thanks Cruisin, I have original discs but thought they stopped that so you don't put it on multiple machines, I'm sure I remember donwloading the DVD, and then needing a code too? Can't remember which one, so long ago. Office or Photoshop. iDVD I get is obsolete as the DVD drives are no longer carried. Something else which I don't really approve of.. hah

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Interesting.

I had a similar issue with an iPhone donated to me - wait for it, a 3G :eek:

At the time I was running 10.4.11 on intel CPU.

When attempting to upgrade the iOS version on the iPhone via iTunes, it blocked me from upgrading to the highest version for the 3Gs, instead offering the previous 4.0.x version.

After checking out why I couldn't get the highest version, I discovered that the version of iTunes I was running (9.x) was supposedly incompatible with that version (4.2.x) of iOS.

iTunes v10.0 required MacOS 10.5 or later.

So, it seems that iTunes CAN prevent an upgrade to a version of iOS that is incompatible with the version of iTunes currently installed.

I've re-read the OP's post and conclude that you used iTunes to upgrade rather than performing the upgrade via the iPhone itself. Is that correct? If so, that's a pretty poor move by Apple, considering that it's been shown to be previously possible to block users from upgrading an iPhone to an incompatible version of iOS.

I don't care if Apple makes older MacOS and iTunes versions incompatible, but I DO care that Apple makes the end-user experience more friendly by avoiding putting users through a situation like this.

Just my 2c - and probably only worth that.
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Yep, you read it right. It's pretty poor show. I've been into Apple stores couple of times, and they are mostly aware about the Snow Leopard people being locked out of their iTunes permanently, unless they update the OS. It's lucky for them that most of us won't ever go back to Windows, because if it was half way decent we probably would, which it isn't.

And I don't know about others, but I'm having loads of problems with iOS9. Which makes me regret updating to this 9.0.2 even more than I did before. Like it's not bad enough they don't tell you iTunes is now not available to you, the OS sucks on many levels. May just be me, who knows....Have posted some of the issues I'm having to see if others are having same problems but nobody has replied in the iOS9 forums. Not that being ignored means anything.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mail-attachment-bug-and-text-contact-names.1928524/
 
flyinmac said:
They've burned me enough times in recent years that my Apple equipment is dwindling as my Windows and Android list is climbing. I've come full circle again. Back to PC's just like I moved after the Apple II / Macintosh fiasco.
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Interesting. Windows 8 caused me to dump Windows and I have no desire to go back. The sheer arrogance of Microsoft in pushing that piece of crap angered me to no end. My last PC is now over 5 years old. Since then, I have bought 2 MBPs, a Mini, an MBA, and 2 iPads. My phone is Android, as it was before. I also bought a Raspberry Pi 2.

If Apple ticks me off in the future, I'll just go to Linux. Not going back to Windows. (Caveat: I will still be using Windows at work, of course, because the boss calls those shots.)
 
Beachguy said:
Peter- did you mention which Mac you have? I don't recall seeing it. (But I'm still waking up, so I may have missed it.)
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Possibly. So long ago I don't remember mate. It's a MBP Early 2011. 13 inch. i5. Barely 2GB space free. Too much stuff to lose to overlay with a new iOS.
 
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