Different composition and focus points in both photos so the article is talking tripe. I can see why photographers take the mickey out of phone cameras marketed at the gullible lol.
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This photo comparison is making me want an iPhone 6 Plus!
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Where in my post did I say cropping?
Imagine we're in Paris. We look outside on the veranda. The view is spectacular. We go wide angle and shoot all the apartments, street life and we get the Eiffel Tower, all in one shot. With wide, it is easy because of the way the wide lens bends light and takes it all in. Packing that much into one frame necessarily reduces the individual apartments and street life, much smaller than had we shot it at say 36mm or 50mm.
After, we decide to print the entire scene big, like 36 x 60 inches. Now our friends can see the same view that we saw and they can walk up to the print and marvel about clearly seeing minute detail such as signs, faces, pets, insides of apartments, the works.
If we didn't have OIS to help us capture it sharp, then the effect for our friends looking at the print would not have been as impressive.
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Here is a link to a Canon page that features an interactive graphic depicting one scene and how it is viewed through various ranges from super-wide to super-telephoto. If you start at telephoto and start clicking backward toward wide, you'll see ever-inclusive detail that starts getting smaller and smaller within the frame.
http://www.usa.canon.com/app/html/EFLenses101/focal_length.html
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Maybe it's the fact that I haven't taken many low-light shots since I bought my 6+ in December, but I haven't seen where OIS has made much difference over my launch day 6.
What IS noticeable is viewing pics on the 6+. You just see more details. For me, the higher quality screen makes looking at many things so much better. If the 6 had the same screen, I'd probably would not have gotten the 6+
This is probably the culprit behind why users think photos taken with the 6+ look better than those taken with the 6.
First of all, if 36x60 inches is my goal, I would not use a mobile phone camera.
And If I had no choice, I would brace myself rather than relying on OIS.
Don't get me wrong, I love optical image stabilization on long lenses. I have owned many, including an excellent Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS. I would not buy a long lens without IS any more.
But for shorter lenses, like 20-30 mm, of thousands of shots I have taken with my DSLR, I don't really see OIS helping.
By the way, that 36x60 inches Paris photo example is the wet dream of every amateur photographer who walk into a camera store. In reality, most people don't print that big, and when they do, they realize that the thing just looks corny on the wall.
And If I had no choice, I would brace myself rather than relying on OIS.
Don't get me wrong, I love optical image stabilization on long lenses. I have owned many, including an excellent Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS. I would not buy a long lens without IS any more.
But for shorter lenses, like 20-30 mm, of thousands of shots I have taken with my DSLR, I don't really see OIS helping.
By the way, that 36x60 inches Paris photo example is the wet dream of every amateur photographer who walk into a camera store. In reality, most people don't print that big, and when they do, they realize that the thing just looks corny on the wall.
You are one to pose any kind of argument, which is your choice, except your comprehension gets clouded and you respond to stuff that’s not written.
Before you thought I was talking about cropping. Now your assuming somehow that I said we’d be shooting a phone camera when taking that shot? I did say about mounting a wide lens, so it’s obvious that the discussion was not about shooting that scene with a phone.
Next, bracing and OIS are not mutually exclusive. They go hand-in-hand to the careful photographer that wants to get it right and go on to the next thing.
If you take thousands of shots with a wide lens the same way, if course you’re not going to see a difference. I see a difference when I’m in low light and I brace myself and use OIS when there’s no tripod around to assist.
You’re welcome to your own opinion about Paris shots, who prints large anyway, and how corny it looks. At that point, you’re flat out argumentative for arguing sake. Though I’ll leave you with a pic that gave me the idea. The image you see here was in Bloomingdale’s store, it was shot wide, printed enormous, and selling for $8,500.00 plus sales tax. And yes, when I walked up to it, it was so cool to see all the clear details that I referred to in my prior post.
I realize now that you’re just being contrarian, so I’ll conserve my time and effort in teaching and apply my time to other matters.
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My apology. I assumed incorrectly that you referred to the 6+ OIS, hence all my statements regarding optical image stabilization were made with that in mind. However, my opinion is still the same. I don't see optical image stabilization being effective for wide angle shots. I would get a lot more for my money with an inexpensive tripod. As a matter of fact, many photographers would turn off OIS when have the camera on a tripod. The fact that one can't get a fixed focal wide angle lens with OIS from Canon or Nikon proves my point.
This being an iPhone forum, so the point I want to make is that I don't think OIS is that effective on a 6+.
My apology. I assumed incorrectly that you referred to the 6+ OIS, hence all my statements regarding optical image stabilization were made with that in mind. However, my opinion is still the same. I don't see optical image stabilization being effective for wide angle shots. I would get a lot more for my money with an inexpensive tripod. As a matter of fact, many photographers would turn off OIS when have the camera on a tripod. The fact that one can't get a fixed focal wide angle lens with OIS from Canon or Nikon proves my point.
This being an iPhone forum, so the point I want to make is that I don't think OIS is that effective on a 6+.
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Sorry. I'm not following. What is not clear about the first set of photos?
The file size comment was a mere afterthought when I was uploading. Truth be told it is something I hadn't noticed before because it's not something I ever looked at. It wasn't even my main argument. Why am I getting better looking clearer pics with the 6 plus? That is all that baffles me.
People have told me it's the situation. Well I put them both in the same conditions. People have told me its the screen I'm viewing it on. I'm viewing it full size on a 27" imac. The differences aren't astronomical, but they are noticeable. Why?
Anyone who thinks the Plus makes better photos is clueless.. it's such a minor improvement not even worth mentioning. It's a clever marketing gimmick Apple pulled there, and many people believe it.
Neither of the examples here are blurred so this further demonstrates that it has very little effect. The colour tone is slightly different in the top photo but that has nothing to do with OIS. Other than that the pictures look identical with similar noise levels.
I'm sorry but it's clearly visible that pictures on the left have more noise. It would be even more obvious if the full pictures were posted.
There is a difference but its not huge. Then again neither phone is going to produce perfectly satisfactory shots in low light because they are what they are. The bottom picture of the candle appears to have better colour reproduction but this could be because it is taken at a slightly different angle or the focal point is ever so slightly different. If someone is buying either phone as their primary camera then it is perhaps reasonable to say that they shouldn't be too fussy in the first place. Most of my low light pictures taken on my phone end up on facebook anyway lol.
Obviously phone camera cannot be as good as an SLR. Still OIS in 6 plus helps a lot, because Apple has programmed the stock camera app to lower the ISO and use slower shutter speed (1/4 is the slowest with the stock camera) in low light.
So in a low light scene, regular iPhone 6 will use ISO 800 or 1000 and shutter speed of 1/12 s . iPhone 6 Plus will use 1/4 s shutter speed and ISO 400 or lower resulting in a better less noisy picture.
The fallacy is attempting to discern differences online with small photos. And that represents end of line decisions, assuming all else beforehand was done under controlled conditions for the test to be valid. Absent that, let's just keep on making opinions skewed toward what we want to believe.
Agree with this. Any differences that people are able to discriminate on the iPhone screen are most likely due to the better screen of the 6+ vs. the 6, assuming both were taken identically under controlled conditions.
You make a good point. I suppose these phones are so close in specs but have differences that are pros to some people over other things. The 6 plus has the better camera, but not hugely significant IMO for the purpose it's intended for. It also has s better screen, however the 6 trumps it in certain areas but again it's subjective. I think they both take excellent photographs for a phone and I am thoroughly happy with the photos I have got off my 6.
On various Canon forums, people argue over pixels and how quality does a blur look. They argue over raw formats and variations in sensors. It seriously gets out of hand.
I was commenting about the file size difference. It's clear to me that in the last 2 set of photos, the 6+ photos were slightly more complex than the corresponding 6 photos, so that would explain a slightly larger file.
To my eyes the images in first set are comparable, so I am not clear why the 6+ image was larger in size. Quantum entanglement?
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About the photos with the candle, it's appeared that the candle on the right is burning brighter thus producing more light. More light means less noise in photos.
But I would not split hair here in term of image quality. It's fun as an academic discussion.
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This. Candles are a pretty poor subject for testing OIS in low light conditions (for comparison purposes) as the intensity of the flame changes all the time.
Since no reference is directly given, I'll ask. Were these taken with an iphone 6+? Did you use a tripod/brace for each photo? Which version of iOS are these devices on?
You're being purposefully obtuse, and are quite frankly in denial. The photos on the left(iPhone 6) are noisier than the photos on the right.(iphone 6 Plus)
When photos are taken in good light, the two phones are indiscernible, but as soon as the lighting conditions go south, the difference is obvious. Go read some reviews instead of burying your head in the sand.
http://www.imore.com/iphone-6-vs-iphone-6-plus-camera-comparison-6-plus-actually-better
Yes, but you (or rather, the author) picked some bad examples. As meistervu mentioned, the candle flame on the right (iPhone 6+) is brighter. More light means less noise.
FieldingMellish sums it up best:
Opening those photos up in a new tab shows you a larger version of them(click on them).You cannot say that you don't see a difference in the noise between these.
http://www.imore.com/sites/imore.co...d/image/2014/09/lowlight_12.jpg?itok=rA5KRjYx
http://www.imore.com/sites/imore.co...d/image/2014/09/lowlight_13.jpg?itok=qbUBm8a1
I've never claimed otherwise. OIS can and do make a difference under certain conditions, especially when blown up, and should in theory allow you to hand-hold the phone at reduced shutter speed. However, some of the examples are simply invalid for comparison purposes. E.g., the candle flame in the iPhone 6+ photo is brighter, and we know more light leads to less noise. Don't fool yourself into thinking the reduced noise is from OIS.