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Other This years camera upgrade looks significant
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If the sensor is bigger and the did not cram more pixels on it, it would have better low light performance for sure.
LOL as far as I can tell, they only have one comparison of the XS vs the X and there's a clear difference there. Are we looking at the same thing? It's the photo of the drinks with a candle. The other photos are comparing the XS to other manufacturers cameras.
If we are looking at the same photos there, I think you might need to adjust your monitor a bit my dude.
EDIT: these 2
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/pIm...jbareham_180916_2951_iPhone_XS_0080_sized.jpg
XS
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/xjF.../jbareham_180916_2951_iPhone_X_0046_sized.jpg
X
How can you not see the difference here???
Check out the Verge which compares the camera to the Pixel 2 XL (last years pixel not even the one launching in a couple weeks). It was notable.
Who said there wasn’t a difference? My point was not a huge difference. Sure there is a different, but it’s not this land slide. Also that is dark lighting, how about just a standard photo? The claims that this is this huge upgrade would mean its across the board.
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Your links don’t work.
It seems there's 2 debates going on here LOL
1. XS vs X
2. XS vs Pixel 2
1. XS vs X
2. XS vs Pixel 2
Nope these are about who is better. This is about how much better it is than the X.
Huge difference depends on how you personally define the word "huge" though...
One of the major points of the new camera is the larger sensor that lets in more light. To see the biggest difference between last years model, you would take a photo with dark lighting. Not sure what you're expecting here my dude. Most camera phones take decent photos in light these days.
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Others in this thread are mentioning the Pixel 2. You are debating the X vs XS. They are debating the former.
It’s also the sensor, so not just a software upgrade. The sensor makes makes a huge difference especially in low light situations. In regards to software I believe the new neural engine is what allows it to function, although I suppose that could be refuted and changed in the future - I am not an expert on iPhone software.
Looking at the photo comparisons and videos of the Xs in action it is a clear and significant upgrade to me. Having said that, not everyone is as picky about their photos and that’s ok too.
If I owned a X it probably wouldn’t be enough to upgrade because I don’t upgrade annually, but coming from a lower iPhone these improvements are very pleasing to see.
First I am not your dude, so we got that out of the way. Second there are expectations that come with making claims like the Verge did. That’s my point here. Things aren’t vastly different in the XS camera.
Coming from an older iPhone, yes 100% an upgrade worth getting. Upgrade over the X. Not so much. It is sure, but not what people here are trying to justify it as. This happens every year. They have to justify the upgrade.
Gruber's review had some really good comparisons. One is above, the picture of him on the X that is half washed out by the sun, vs the Xs which is a huge difference due to the HDR.
Another comparison from his review. This is a shot on an iPhone X
Here's one taken with the Xs:
To me, both of these examples are "big" improvements. Candid photos are rarely taken in ideal lighting conditions, and if the Xs can improve dramatically in low light settings, alongside the HDR improvements, it stands to reason that this camera will perform better in day to day settings, which will stand out to the average camera phone user. Just my .02
I have an 8 Plus and always considered it to have a good camera for the most part. From what I’ve seen across the Xs reviews, the camera seems to have had a large upgrade over the X, performing notably better in low light and shooting into a bright light source. I feel the Xs is close to the Pixel 2 camera (have a look at the Mashable photo comparison vs the Note 9, Pixel 2, and the iPhone X - I’ve linked it below) and in some cases it beats or mostly matches the Pixel 2 photo’s.
PS: We all want the best photo quality possible from these devices, and everyone has their own preferences as to colour temperature, etc. If the Xs photo’s don’t do it for you vs other devices then that’s okay, so too is people preferring the Xs photo’s over the competition. Let’s keep this a civilised thread
https://mashable.com/feature/apple-iphone-xs-max-review/?europe=true#EBCaPvwN0aql
PS: We all want the best photo quality possible from these devices, and everyone has their own preferences as to colour temperature, etc. If the Xs photo’s don’t do it for you vs other devices then that’s okay, so too is people preferring the Xs photo’s over the competition. Let’s keep this a civilised thread
https://mashable.com/feature/apple-iphone-xs-max-review/?europe=true#EBCaPvwN0aql
I'm not seeing it, and I do like the idea of having a larger sensor. Its just so far with the reviews, I'm getting an ho hum vibe
X vs XS: I don’t think anyone reasonable would disagree that with both the bigger sensor and the reviewers photos as examples that there has been good jump up in quality for low light situations. In other situations the jump, if any, probably isn’t as noticeable between the two. However, a lot of people take a lot of shots in poor lighting, so this should help.
XS vs Pixel 2: What I saw in the video review (verge I believe) where he said the pixel 2 was still king was a photo showing more detail and cooler color vs a softened and warmer colored photo from the XS. He then showed a bunch more where I actually preferred the XS over the more contrasting pixel 2. He even said it is subjective between which set people would like.
At the end of the day, it seems like depending on the situation and lighting at the time, one camera is going to out perform the other. And it will flip flop as to which did better. If you take a lot of low light photos go for the XS if the camera is a driver. If you like contrasty photos with the most detail and have good lighting conditions in your shots, maybe you better look at the upgraded pixel 2 coming out soon.
XS vs Pixel 2: What I saw in the video review (verge I believe) where he said the pixel 2 was still king was a photo showing more detail and cooler color vs a softened and warmer colored photo from the XS. He then showed a bunch more where I actually preferred the XS over the more contrasting pixel 2. He even said it is subjective between which set people would like.
At the end of the day, it seems like depending on the situation and lighting at the time, one camera is going to out perform the other. And it will flip flop as to which did better. If you take a lot of low light photos go for the XS if the camera is a driver. If you like contrasty photos with the most detail and have good lighting conditions in your shots, maybe you better look at the upgraded pixel 2 coming out soon.
People seem to keep missing the part where he says it’s subjective between the pixel 2 and the iPhone. The only objective difference was the pixel does not do as much image smoothing and is not as natural older iPhones.
Does the X shot have HDR enabled? It looks like it doesn’t.
I’m sure there are improvements with the Xs camera over the X. No doubt about that. Is it worth upgrading from the X though? Nope. At this point if it’s not as good as the Pixel 2 then who cares.
For still shots I think most flagships are pretty close. For me the bigger differences are in video. I found that since iPhone 7 that the iPhone had the best video recording. Now that they FINALLY put stereo audio in video in the iPhone I think the iPhone XS is the clear leader at least with video. Here's a nice sample:
The biggest differences in seeing isnwhenctbe lightnsource (particularly the sun) is behind the subject. That's hands down superior on the Xs examples.
Low light does seem better but nowhere near the stark difference you see managing light behind the subject.
My quick and dirty summation? It's a bigger difference than I may have expected, but not enough to drop another $1k onca phone. Something to look forward to next year, assuming I get some more tangible changes to go alongside it.
Low light does seem better but nowhere near the stark difference you see managing light behind the subject.
My quick and dirty summation? It's a bigger difference than I may have expected, but not enough to drop another $1k onca phone. Something to look forward to next year, assuming I get some more tangible changes to go alongside it.
He mentioned both were just point and shoot, so I guess it would depend on his settings for the X. In regards to overall camera quality, I personally found the Xs photos to be superior to the Pixel 2 in most cases, or on par at least. This idea to me that "the Xs isn't even on the level of the Pixel 2" seems overblown from one review, where even that reviewer says "it will largely depend on personal preferences".
Feels like I'm trying to carry Apple's water here, and I'm not...It's just pretty clear that the Xs cameras are a significant upgrade in both hardware and software, so I'm not sure if it's just X owners trying to overcompensate for not upgrading, or what...
There are for sure differences, and it does shot better. My point is that people acting as if the X is some crap camera, and the Xs suddenly makes the iPhone camera great. That’s total BS. The iPhone was one of if not the best cameras last year. It’s not sudden garbage.
That's a totally fair point. I have an 8+, and I found the camera to be generally excellent. I am, however, very excited to get my Xs Max delivered on Friday lol.
Oh you should be excited! That is a great upgrade. You will love the huge screen.
As for the cameras, yes I had no issues taking great photos with my X. No reason to upgrade at all. Hope everyone enjoys theirs, but let’s stop dumbing on the past gen like it was trash.
I’m sure it’s better but the word significant is probably a bit much. It can take better shots in certain conditions I’m sure but generally it’s probably quite similar to the X.