I finally got my 'refurb" 2.8 24 inch iMac and wanted to let others know whom might be thinking of the refurb. IMO go for it. The only reason I could see getting a new iMac is if you really wanted the new video card. Otherwise the added cost isn't worth it IMO. If you aren't getting the new card, save $700 bucks and buy the 2.8 refurb. While I have no way to prove it, I do think mine is brand new. I see no signs at all of any scratches or any sort of wear at all. I was going with the assumption that Apple would likely be cleaning out their stock via the refurbs at their store. IMO it seem to be the case with mine at lease. I'm sure there will be a few unlucky ones here and there that might get a "real" refurb, but I'd say right now so close to the refresh you have a high chance of getting a new machine. I just wanted to ease the mind if anyone else was trying to decide between the refurb or the new machine.