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Though Discontinued, Apple Offering a Plethora of Discounted 17" MacBook Pros
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sigh. not at all talking about the amount of code... but the SIZE.. as in what can be read from what distance? because I can't read 5000 lines of code squashed into one inch regardless of the resolution (yes, I exaggerated to make a point).
I understand DPI fine thanks. and what 1940 pixels means. but 1940 pixels spread out over 15" is NOT the same as spread over 17". Is this too obvious of a point for a technical person to grasp?
The 17" makes up only 2% of all Apples laptop sales. I don't see it coming back with sales numbers like that.
I've just had a look at a display unit near my office, and played around with the settings at 1440, 1680 and 1920. Though far from a perfect test, I couldn't tell the difference in quality between the three resolutions. All looked superb, and with the crispness of the display I found the sizing of the elements fine right up to 1920.
I don't know why they are ripping on you. Apparently anyone with less than perfect vision isn't worth anything anymore.
Where would they get the screen from?!?
If they were to produce a 17" Retina display, where would the screen come from? Does anyone make one?
Even if there was one, the yields would be low (and thus the price would be high).
I wouldn't count out the 17" machine forever, but who knows. I almost never see folks carrying the 17" any more though.
If they were to produce a 17" Retina display, where would the screen come from? Does anyone make one?
Even if there was one, the yields would be low (and thus the price would be high).
I wouldn't count out the 17" machine forever, but who knows. I almost never see folks carrying the 17" any more though.
The top end of Apple's customer base is breaking off because of Apple's disregard for the pro market. Once iToys lose their current fashion status, Apple Inc. will lose much of its value. I can't believe they're being this short-sighted. Now they've even turned the most beautiful, most powerful computer ever made - the MacBook Pro - into an iToy.
As far as this absurd debate between 15"/17" real estate is concerned - you could put infinite resolution on a pin head - it still wouldn't have more real estate than 1920X1200 pixels on a 17" MacBook Pro. Please stop being so illogical. It hurts my head.
Lastly, if 1% of sales is at profit, then there's zero reason to stop selling it.
As far as this absurd debate between 15"/17" real estate is concerned - you could put infinite resolution on a pin head - it still wouldn't have more real estate than 1920X1200 pixels on a 17" MacBook Pro. Please stop being so illogical. It hurts my head.
Lastly, if 1% of sales is at profit, then there's zero reason to stop selling it.
I guess this shows just what a niche the 17" was. I wouldn't be without mine, and am keeping it. The UK store has similar offers on refurbs...Some great bargains to be had. Grab one now....If I could justify the cost, I'd buy another one.....Just in case.
I started coding at 80x24 on a DOS screen. If anything, the fonts I use have been getting smaller and smaller as time goes on.
133 PPI to 147 PPI is hardly half the physical size. Exaggerate much ?
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Again, if you can't read Mac OS X fischer price sized fonts at 147 PPI at a normal laptop viewing distance (24"), something is wrong with your eyesight.
133 PPI vs 147 PPI. Both are quite readable at normal laptop distances. In fact, viewing a 127 PPI screen right now, I'd say 147 PPI would be better. The font is still huge on my 13" MBA. The Sony Vaio Z's 160 PPI is sounding great, the MBPR scaled at 1920x1200 is a nice compromise.
Maybe some of you guys should see it before you diss it ? Just a suggestion...
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I don't know why they are ripping on you. Apparently anyone with less than perfect vision isn't worth anything anymore.
Sure there are, I am far from perfect vision. It's called corrective lenses.
Still can not believe that this stupid guys at apple discontinued the 17" Macbook pro. i own one and i really love and need the size for my work...:-(((mad:
mad:I wouldnt have thought that these are actually refurbished at all. They are likely new ones that were never sold. Apple dont simply 'run out' of computers just before an update, they sell off the older models at a slightly discounted rate. It should really be the 'refurbished & old models' section.
I bought Tuesday a MBP 17", 2.4 GHz i7, 4GB RAM and 750GB HDD for 2499
Replaced the RAM immediatly with 16 GB Kingston RAM for 189.4.
Love the machine.
Later on, I still have the option to add SSDs when/if the ODD or HDD brakes down or when an upgrade is required to meet industry standards.
Replaced the RAM immediatly with 16 GB Kingston RAM for 189.4.
Love the machine.
Later on, I still have the option to add SSDs when/if the ODD or HDD brakes down or when an upgrade is required to meet industry standards.
Of causeGuy can still hope right ?
.First time ever I gave you an upvote. for your post.
On a Windows computer running Windows Vista or newer, that has been set up correctly by the OEM, running apps that conform to Microsoft's current design guidelines, that is most definitely NOT true.
The OEM should have configured Windows Vista to be aware of the physical display DPI, and if they did so, Windows Vista should, in turn, have automatically scaled its fonts so that their point sizes are physically correct. A 12-point font should always occupy exactly 1/6 of an inch vertically, and the 17" monitor should display more 12-point text than the 15" monitor, no matter what the physical resolution of the two monitors.
The point will finally be driven home to everybody once and for all once somebody:
1) Takes a non-retina 15" MPB and a retina 15" MPB,
2) Places them side-by-side,
3) Sets them both up for factory-default display and font settings,
4) Opens a large text file in TextEdit.App on both machines,
5) Maximizes the windows on each machine,
6) Takes photos to compare how much text is visible on each machine.
7) If practical, also measure the number of characters displayed per inch on each machine.
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Could you please explain what they've done that's turned the MBP into an "iToy"? As far as I can tell, they still offer basically the same MBP now that they were offering last year. They've added a new model. Is it because the parts aren't user-replaceable? That seems to be a lot of the discussion around here, and I don't get it. I've always thought of the Pro part as what you do WITH your computer...how you use it. Not what you do TO your computer. There's tons of people in the pro market that just want a computer that works. They don't necessarily want to have to change RAM, swap HDDs or SSDs, etc. The new MBP is extremely powerful. So please explain what makes it an "iToy."
Completely untrue. If you can refocus the effort you were spending to make that 1% profit onto something that generates more sales, then there's every reason to stop selling it. That's why product lines get condensed, not just in computers but everywhere. Less options means streamlined production, less material cost (because you don't need as many different parts). As long as you can move sales from the discontinued product to one of your other products, it makes perfect sense.
Don't know, don't care. And frankly, my experience on Windows is the same. The PPI modes are limited to certain increments. In fact, searching for Windows 7, it seems they've only added 1 new increment (larger) to the 2 that existed before since Windows 95.
Smaller - 100% = 96 DPI (Pixels/Dots Per Inch)
Medium - 125% = 120 DPI (Pixels/Dots Per Inch)
Larger - 150% = 144 DPI (Pixels/Dots Per Inch)
So much for "scaling".
Don't get me wrong, choice is great. However, Apple very much doesn't waste ressources on choice if the customers don't show up for it, unlike other OEMs who keep low volume models around.
Apple's treshold for low volume just isn't that low.
Can I ask where stats like these come from?
Are you sure you want to know?
Has anybody wondered when Apple will stop conceding market segments
like it has over the last couple of years?
It's like a dozen different things they've quit making.
Even with small percentages compared to iToys, Shirley it must shed a lot of
customers who end up going to another company for their needs.
I've ofted wonderd how many millions of Apple customers have bought monitors
from Dell and HP because the largest corporate plutocracy in the Galaxy only
sells one size of ACD? Aren't they going to run out of stuff to quit selling?
You can change the display to either simulate 1680x1050 or 1920x1200 in settings on the retina pro.
It won't look as tack sharp as the default resolution, but it will still be sharper than non-retina 17" display because each pixel on the 17" will still composed of more than 2 pixels on the 15" and because of the higher PPI.
It will be slightly smaller, but also sharper.