It's all in the details.Just because you can daisy chain doesn't mean you have to daisy chain. The problem is that there is almost no use case for it and thus not commercially viable. .
The OP only has a single ThunderBolt port and is not asking about a Mac Pro so the only option for using multiple drives with ThunderBolt is to daisy chain the drives.Usually you can get by with daisy chaining or using the second TB port (or more in case of the Mac Pro).
You are claiming that TB has to be daisy chained which is misleading the OP. There are non-daisy chainable TB devices like the ethernet and firewire adapters Apple sells as well as the TB-SATA dock from Seagate so you definitely DON'T have to run TB in series at all, it's not even possible with quite a lot of devices! The only reason that TB hubs don't exist is due to the very limited set of use cases which make them economically unviable. Companies don't like losing money so we don't get TB hubs.Since Thunderbolt has to be ran in series there is no such thing as a Thunderbolt hub.
TB does have to be daisy chained to run multiple TB devices on the same TB connector. The OP was asking about running multiple TB devices on his single TB connector so I answered it appropriately and there was nothing misleading about it.You are claiming that TB has to be daisy chained which is misleading the OP.t
I never said there wasn't non-daisy chain-able TB devices or devices with a single TB connector that were designed to not support passing TB to the next device in the line. Those devices can be used by themselves or as the last device in the chain. In fact it is very likely that both of the OP's current drives only have a single TB connector and why I said he would need drives with two TB connectors to achieve what he is wanting.There are non-daisy chainable TB devices like the ethernet and firewire adapters Apple sells as well as the TB-SATA dock from Seagate so you definitely DON'T have to run TB in series at all, it's not even possible with quite a lot of devices!
To use multiple TB devices on the same connector they do in fact have to be daisy chained together. The reason there are no TB hubs is not because of it being economically unviable but because it is not technically possible. TB is not designed to support a TB hub like USB is. TB is designed to be daisy chained together in series.The only reason that TB hubs don't exist is due to the very limited set of use cases which make them economically unviable. Companies don't like losing money so we don't get
Due to not having a hub yesTB does have to be daisy chained to run multiple TB devices on the same TB connector.
Then you are clearly in the wrong thread. The OP here asked for a hub, hence the title.The OP was asking about running multiple TB devices on his single TB connector so I answered it appropriately and there was nothing misleading about it.
Never stated you did say that only that you implied that TB itself requires devices to be used in series which I read as daisy chained. The daisy chain requirement is not correct. Since we don't have hubs it's quite obvious that daisy chaining is the only option if you want to connect multiple TB devices if you have 1 TB port (and it is limited to 6 devices in total).I never said there wasn't non-daisy chain-able TB devices or devices with a single TB connector that were designed to not support passing TB to the next device in the line.
To use multiple TB devices on the same connector they do in fact have to be daisy chained together.
You couldn't be more wrong. Neither protocol is designed to support hubs or be like a hub. Both are serial buses so it doesn't matter if you daisy chain or use a hub because in both cases it means that devices will be chained together in series. Such is the nature of being a serial bus.The reason there are no TB hubs is not because of it being economically unviable but because it is not technically possible. TB is not designed to support a TB hub like USB is. TB is designed to be daisy chained together in series.
I think that Thunderbolt 2 supports 8 devices while Thunderbolt 1 supports 6 devices. I'm not sure what Thunderbolt 3 supports.I thought the limit was 6 Thunderbolt devices per chain?
USB and Ethernet are completely different things. USB and TB are similar since both are serial buses. Any book on these technologies will state that just like every proper computer science course will. Both TB and USB will handle things 1 by 1 which is what serial is. The other way is parallel which is 2 or more at the same time. The reason why we have so much serial buses today is due to serial being simpler and allows for cheaper cables but it also enables high speeds.dyn, I think you need a refresher in PCI bus and TB technology. TB is a bus technology similar to PCI, USB is serial similar to Ethernet.
That's because TB is designed to allow piggybacking. The TB controller will encapsulate PCIe, DisplayPort and USB (TB3 only) in a TB packet and transmit that. The controller in the computer will undo that encapsulation. Since both PCIe and DisplayPort are port of the TB implementation you can do cool things like directly hooking a DisplayPort monitor to a Thunderbolt port and use a wide variety of PCIe cards in those expansion chassis. There are some limitations to that though which have to do with power delivery of TB and how TB works.There are in fact TB expansion chassis available where a wide variety of PCI cards will plug into.
Exactly, USB is more aimed at lower end devices like input devices, scanners, printers and the like whereas TB is more aimed at the higher end like data transfer, multimedia appliances, networking (10GbE for example) and things like that. With TB3 both technologies will be combined which allows the user to mix and match to his liking.Much better performing technology than the USB based, but expensive. You sometimes get what you pay for however. USB was optimized for things like keyboards and mice, every other use is full of compromise. USB3 attempts to bandaid the protocol but is much more complex and no two vendors implement it the same way leading to a wide variety of user experience.
Intel and Apple disagree with you, they state that 6 is the max per port. Perhaps with TB3 or even TB4 this might be turned into 8 due to having more bandwidth available.OP the only way to use your single TB port is to use devices that are daisy chain compatible, those with two TB ports. You can connect up to 8 TB devices to your single port.
Bandwidth has nothing to do with why there can only be a maximum of 6 devices connected. This is just plain wrong.it means that not many TB devices wil be connected to 1 controller since you share the data connection and thus lose a lot of bandwidth. That's why you cannot connect more than 6 devices to 1 port.
Again a Thunderbolt hub is not technically possible.Wether you daisy chain or use a hub doesn't matter because the same thing will apply. Again, such is the nature of being a serial bus and aiming for high end usage.
Again a Thunderbolt hub is not technically possible. It has nothing to do with there being a market for it.Since not many people will connect that many devices there is almost no market for a TB hub.
We are talking about Thunderbolt 1 and 2, technology that is currently released. Not technology that has not even made it to market yet. You are grasping at future technology to try to prove your point and failing.TB3 is yet another reason why it is technically possible to use hubs with TB: it incorporates USB3.1 Gen 2 and uses the same USB-C connector.
Again a Thunderbolt hub is not technically possible, economics has nothing to do with it.It really is purely economical and not technical.
No one said any of these sites are wrong, just that you are wrong and that Thunderbolt 1 and 2 does not support Thunderbolt hubs. I poked around the linked site and nowhere does it say that Thunderbolt 1 and 2 support Thunderbolt hubs. How about you point out the spot on that site or in the design specification where Thunderbolt hubs are possible. We will be waiting.If you feel that way then you should write to Intel that the information posted on the website g4cube linked to is incorrect and they should change it as well as the information in the developers documentation. Next do email all those other websites (Wikipedia has a nice list of those) discussing Thunderbolt they are wrong to.
A word to the OP: forget what people are saying here, look elsewhere and look at the official Thunderbolt website g4cube linked to. Those hold the correct information and are a lot less confusing then the information in this topic.