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Tiger Wins in the end... XP loses
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Amethyst1
macrumors G3
That's beautiful. Before I switched to OS X, I used... Aqua's wallpapers, LOL.
Project Alice
macrumors 68020
I'm the opposite of this. If it has a G4 CPU in it, it gets Leopard.
The only reason I use Tiger is for classic, or a compatibility problem. The other reason I might use Tiger is if I get a new PPC mac and it has very little ram, in which case I'll use Tiger to test it out\install on it until I buy more ram.
The speed difference is really negligible.
I have Leopard on a lot of slow G4s, a B&W with a G4 upgrade, a Pismo with a G4 upgrade, various graphite G4s and a couple Cubes. The main make or break with Leopard is Ram, and GPU. Not clock speed. The Pismo is the odd one out having the Rage 128 non up-gradable, but it does work. As long as it has quartz extreme, it runs great. Core Image is just a bonus (Geforce 5200 in my B&W, Geforce 6200 in a Graphite gigabit Ethernet).
Amethyst1
macrumors G3
Ironically, Tiger's (and Panther's) Classic is worse than Jaguar's.
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Just theorising - a QE-capable Cardbus or PCI graphics card might improve matters on an external monitor but I don't know if e.g. the VTBook's GPU is QE-capable,
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Exactly. And anyone who works with industrial equipment would know why. There's tons of stuff out there running XP and older operating systems, and you can't just put Windows 10 on them. So when the motherboard in your $2,000,000 packaging machine finally dies, you either have to find an equally old replacement that is probably just as worn out, or replace the hardware with something newer and hope XP still works.
bunnspecial
macrumors G3
Scientific equipment is my field, but the Win2K computer I mentioned upthread is running something that would be ~$50K for the new equivalent. Yes, there are ways the new one is better, but I spent ~$2K on this series of upgrades and it works great for many uses.
Beyond that, I have a newer system sitting next to it that most people prefer using. It's running on the computer it came with, which is Windows 7 and will stay there. If I wanted to go Win10, I'd need to upgrade to Agilent MassHunter(from MSD Chemstation) which runs around $4K.
Across the hall is a superb Varian GC-MS. Varian no longer exists, and I'm running MS Workstation 6.9.3 which will not run on anything newer than WinXP. This is a fairly specialized instrument with a lot of "bells and whistles"(which I do use on a regular basis). When I bought it last year, I had to get quotes for new systems to make the case for buying this one used. Agilent was $150K and Thermo was nearly $200K for a similar level of capability. It's not getting replaced any time soon.
If you have a $2M piece of machinery which is reliant on an older operating system then you should be investigating options for the reason highlighted. Obtain a replacement and put it in storage (not ideal as parts degrade even when not in use), newer operating systems, virtualization, etc.
We have a small stockpile of replacements for the $2M beast. We're fortunate that at the moment we can still obtain entire replacement PCs from the vendor with original OS and software, but that is still a last resort solution because of the time it takes. We have some other machines that run XP and even one that runs DOS, but they mostly share computer components.
Our other problem with any of this is validation. In the biotech field we can't just swap operating systems or software without having to re-validate the whole system, and that takes a lot of time and work.
bunnspecial
macrumors G3
I think anyone running older high dollar equipment probably has spares on hand.
Virtualization often isn't a viable option, especially when you're running software that relies on low-level communication with interface cards. BTW, many times those interface cards are very much proprietary and are often PCI and/or ISA.
I was fortunate enough on my recent project to be able to switch over to a PCI card from the ISA card I'd used previously. That was helped by the fact that it uses a standardized interface(HPIB, aka GPIB or IEEE-488) although the software/hardware can ONLY work with a Hewlett-Packard/Agilent card, and just with a couple of specific P/Ns at that. The PCI card needs some software trickery to work also.
Virtualization often isn't a viable option, especially when you're running software that relies on low-level communication with interface cards. BTW, many times those interface cards are very much proprietary and are often PCI and/or ISA.
I was fortunate enough on my recent project to be able to switch over to a PCI card from the ISA card I'd used previously. That was helped by the fact that it uses a standardized interface(HPIB, aka GPIB or IEEE-488) although the software/hardware can ONLY work with a Hewlett-Packard/Agilent card, and just with a couple of specific P/Ns at that. The PCI card needs some software trickery to work also.
Perhaps, perhaps not. That's why it's important to investigate options prior to a failure.
I got a iMac mid 2007 - saved from nearly being tossed in the trash.
3Gb Ram - 320Gb hard drive 20 inch.
I was able to get the restore disks from archive.org. I’ve been battling the install but all I get is this screen. Clearly the hard drive has enough space and the drive is in good shape. But it doesn’t see the free space.
disk0 has a disk0s1 for EFI with about 200 mb and the rest under disk0s2.
what am I doing wrong?
3Gb Ram - 320Gb hard drive 20 inch.
I was able to get the restore disks from archive.org. I’ve been battling the install but all I get is this screen. Clearly the hard drive has enough space and the drive is in good shape. But it doesn’t see the free space.
disk0 has a disk0s1 for EFI with about 200 mb and the rest under disk0s2.
what am I doing wrong?
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RogerWilco6502
macrumors 68000
I'd recommend you start a new thread for this. Just some preliminary troubleshooting though: try formatting the disk and restarting. Also, are you sure these are Intel Tiger discs?
Amethyst1
macrumors G3
RogerWilco6502
macrumors 68000
Yes, they are intel disks. I checked the OSInstall files on the disk and iMac7,1 is the targeted system for the install. It is the right DVD set for the machine. The install won't let me forget the hard drive - says I don't have permissions. I can format the hard drive with later OS X versions.
RogerWilco6502
macrumors 68000
I have and when I do, I get the error I first posted. Says not enough space. But when I try to erase (format) within 10.4.10 install disk I get this . . .
I am going to swap out the hard drive now.
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RogerWilco6502
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Ok, yeah. Sorry, I don't really know what's going on >.>
I put a 500Gb that came from an iMac mid 2011 and the same disk space problem occurred. Though, I could reformat and partition with no permission issues.
I found the official install disks on eBay and will try those. The images from archive.org may be bad.
RogerWilco6502
macrumors 68000
Ok, sounds good. If replacing the hard drive fixed at least some of your issues then a bad drive might've been part of the problem.