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British parliament and other EU govs aren’t much for saints, either. Goes to show they’re pretty much all the same. Different clothes, same person.
That is somewhat fair, but a big difference between allowing fair competition versus dictating who a company can be owned by.
 
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Infrastructure is not speech, you really need a class on the first amendment, Things like apps or websites are considered speech, not the same as infrastructure, App stores can choose not to carry Tik Tok, that is not a first amendment violation. The government would have high bar banning tik tok in court, Montana already lost. Every member can yell and scream on their soapbox that Tik Tok is a direct national security threat but that is not good enough. They have to prove it.
First Amendment does not apply to foreign companies, so it doesn’t matter what TikTok is. The Supreme Court ruled that foreign companies and foreign subsidiaries of American companies are not protected by the First Amendment, which is why I said there is no First Amendment issue.
 
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So let me get this straight the U.S House wants to ban Tiktok but doesn't want to ban onlyfans or any pornography sites?
I'm not advocating for porn and am aware that questionable porn exists. Do those types of websites encourage impressionable young people to eat laundry detergent and marinate chicken breast in cold medicine?

There is a strong governmental interest in protecting children, which Congress has attempted with laws relating to pornography. It is far beyond time to strengthen internet regulations relating to social media and children. Contrary to what many people on this forum seem to believe, not every expression - be it spoken word or otherwise - is protected by the first amendment.
 
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First Amendment does not apply to foreign companies, so it doesn’t matter what TikTok is. The Supreme Court ruled that foreign companies and foreign subsidiaries of American companies are not protected by the First Amendment, which is why I said there is no First Amendment issue.
Apple and other companies hosting the app are not a foreign companies, you obviously don't understand
 
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Nothing like good ol’ American fear mongering. The number of posts in this thread alone who think that the CCP is “corrupting our youth” is both hilarious and concerning. How is this different from the Red Scare and McCarthyism? Especially when the US has been spying on its own population at a level the CCP wishes they could attain.

I do think the fact that so much of the opposition to the genocide in Gaza has been on TikTok is a major factor in this decision. We already lost anything of value in Twitter, which is now a mainstream Nazi website, and now the US government is doing what it can to neuter the one major outlet that isn’t aggressively working to support genocide. Just disgusting all around.
Great it's just a fear mongering...



 
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Byte dance can’t afford to loose U.S. customers as their business depends on ad revenue. if the senate also passes the ban they will sell it
Only question is to who?
 
Apple and other companies hosting the app are not a foreign companies, you obviously don't understand
TikTok is a foreign company, so they have no First Amendment rights. Period. Please get educated in what the Supreme Court said. There was a decision in 2020 where the Court deemed that foreign companies and foreign subsidiaries of American companies do not enjoy Constitutional rights, including the First Amendment. Fining a company for hosting a banned app is not an infringement of Apple’s rights since Apple has no ownership interest in that app. The Court has already spoken, so this law is Constitutional no matter what you might think. This is not my opinion. If you want to argue, go argue with Justice Kavanaugh who wrote the opinion.
 
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How will the Tik Tok ban be enforced? Can a website really be banned if people have access to the internet? All you need is a free VPN or other means to sidestep the ban! And what will the EU have to say about this since they are forcing Progressive Web Apps? 😁
 
TikTok is a foreign company, so they have no First Amendment rights. Period. Please get educated in what the Supreme Court said. There was a decision in 2020 where the Court deemed that foreign companies and foreign subsidiaries of American companies do not enjoy Constitutional rights, including the First Amendment. Fining a company for hosting a banned app is not an infringement of Apple’s rights since Apple has no ownership interest in that app. The Court has already spoken, so this law is Constitutional no matter what you might think. This is not my opinion. If you want to argue, go argue with Justice Kavanaugh who wrote the opinion.

But what if the EU bans the US Tik Tok ban? What is Apple supposed to do then? Also people will just skirt the laws and find a way to access Tik Tok with a VPN or something like that! I see a slippery slope in every direction!
 
Tiktok Is about as communist as my dog. It’s just entertainment mixed with hardcore freedom of speech which isn’t allowed on Facebook or other social media that bans it out of existence. Tiktok is about the only place you can broadcast your freedom of speech which is ironic considering where it is based. Not surprising Biden administration wants this freedom shut down
TikTok will ultimately be banned regardless of who is in office.
 
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This can't be used to justify "grooming" practices. It takes a conceptually powerful person to see the "sexual revolution" as a gimmick and a "luxury belief" that only very few people can truly benefit from.
What are you talking about lmao.

The majority of tik tok is stupid dance trends and voiceovers.

Again don’t blame social media. Blame parents for not being aware or responsible for their kids.
 
What are you talking about lmao.

The majority of tik tok is stupid dance trends and voiceovers.

Again don’t blame social media. Blame parents for not being aware or responsible for their kids.
The fact that you have to ask is the problem.

Most parents are as conceptually weak as their kids.
 
Yeah, it always kinda bothers me when mainly a bunch of older dudes/dudettes who aren't tech savvy and also probably didn't even know what a TikToc was before 2 days ago will be voting on banning it from the rest of us.

It doesn't particularly matter to me. I've never used it. But there a bunch of people who do. If it does get banned (i.e. they don't transfer ownership to a non China entity), I imagine there will be a lot of angry former TikTokers out there.

Perhaps it will finally get them to the polls and actually vote. We'll see.
 
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The problem with that is he already said he would sign it. Why do you think it passed the House with a huge supermajority of both parties? Only 65 Congressmen voted no. If Biden had signaled opposition, the bill would have failed. In the Senate, the Intelligence Committee has jurisdiction and both Democrat Chairman Mark Warner and Republican Vice Chairman Marco Rubio have said they support the House bill. It’ll almost certainly pass the Senate and Biden will sign it.
Conspiracy theory
 
Great it's just a fear mongering...



Forbes is American propaganda, owned by a prominent conservative multimillionaire.

The thumbnail on that video told me it was probably garbage and going through that channel’s selections of videos, including such gems as “The Marvels is the worst movie ever made”, I am going to ask for more credible sources.
 
Why TikTok specifically? Aren't Meta Reels and YT Shorts equally as bad?
I'm sure US tech companies have been lobbying hard for the ban as TikTok is stealing all the momentum (read: ad revenue) in the social media space, especially with the all important 13-20 somethings.

It was the same nonsense with the ban on Chinese hardware and what not. I wish people could really see what is happening here.
 
Let’s all take a moment and consider that Facebook facilitated and aided genocide in Myanmar without so much as a peep from the US government: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...st-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/
I mean, disliking TikTok does not mean we love Meta.

I think Zuck's Meta is not the most favorite corporate either. We all know Meta is harvesting user data too.
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If you have kept up on the CCP since Winnie The Poo took over is the CCP consider you Chinese 1st and whatever your national orientation 2nd. Tik Tok is used by the CCP to keep track of peoples locations. This is especially true for Chinese Americans with family still in China. The Chinese security police use these relatives to blackmail Chinese family members living abroad. The will get Tik Tok posts from close family members with a CCP security cop standing in the background. They will already know you might be working for a business the Chinese want to steal technology from. So you have a choice spy for the Chinese or see your family in China disappear. This alone is enough of a reason the ban Tik-Tok. There are so many alternatives to it. As I said above there are a number of people in the US that are inline to take over Tik-Tok and remove its servers from China, putting them under the control of US privacy laws.
 
This from Google.

More than a dozen countries have banned TikTok, including Afghanistan, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, India, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Pakistan, Taiwan, the UK, and the European Union. Some countries have full bans, while others have partial bans. For example, Australia bans TikTok on devices issued by some government agencies, while Belgium bans it on federal government devices.

The US military services have banned Tik-Tok and Bytedance use by service members. They cannot ban family members from using it however. This is a real security threat because service members can be tracked by Tik-Tok family members. That is not to say you are tracked anyway by metadata spiders, But you can use tracking blockers, and VPN's but as long as Tik-Toks servers are located in China tracking blockers will not work.
 
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I mean, disliking TikTok does not mean we love Meta.

I think Zuck's Meta is not the most favorite corporate either. We all know Meta is harvesting user data too.
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I'm not saying anyone here is defending Meta, I'm just pointing out that Facebook has done demonstrable harm on a systemic level without consequence, which makes the government's hysteria over TikTok feel even more like xenophobic saber rattling. US tech companies get away with virtually anything they want.
 
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