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Tim Cook and Jony Ive Named Among Top 10 Automotive Tech Influencers

Only a Apple fan site would give two executives of Apple that know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the automotive industry this stupid title!

What a complete total and utter joke, it's frankly embarrassing Mac Rumors has even linked to the story I think!
 
Smartass said:
None. He's a designer, not a visionairy. Also, he needs somebody like Steve to control and guide him in certain areas.
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Just so. Ive will never have the ability to create era-defining ecosystems like iTunes, App store, etc. His physical designs are an important element of Apple's marketing, but I doubt he was behind the core concepts and programming for those money spinners which make Apple such an attractive ecosystem to buy into. His contribution to the software tends to be of the "ooo look we changed the typeface to a different shade of black" variety - all show, no go.
 
Cuban Missles said:
This reminds me of when Obama was given the Nobel peace prize before he even got into office. Really makes me wonder about how political these things have become and disconnected from any form of reality. In the case of Obama, you can think whatever about him, but to be fair, he had done nothing other than get elected and that seemed good enough to get a Nobel. Here with Tim and Jony, it's much the same. They created a great phone and a great watch, so of course we are going to give them an award - for a car.....
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I wish I could upvote this post twice.
 
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ArtOfWarfare said:
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1. Elon Musk - Duh.
2. Boring engine and frame guy. He probably influenced a lot of boring but important details.
3. Guy who made Waze.
4. The car sharing service.
5. Guy who made Trapster.
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I've said it before. You are not a car guy. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Car people are much crazier than tech nerds. CvK, a boring engine and frame guy? That got a giggle on Jalopnik (I posted your description of CvK).
Musk deserves to be on the list no doubt, but you should pump the brakes on the hyperbole. He hasn't transformed any aspect of driving. Driving is essentially the same as it was when cars first hit the roads. Autonomous cars will change driving, but we aren't as close to that future as some tend to think.
 
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This is as deserved as Obama's Nobel peace prize before he even moved his clothes into the white house
 
69Mustang said:
I've said it before. You are not a car guy. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Car people are much crazier than tech nerds. CvK, a boring engine and frame guy? That got a giggle on Jalopnik (I posted your description of CvK).
Musk deserves to be on the list no doubt, but you should pump the brakes on the hyperbole. He hasn't transformed any aspect of driving. Driving is essentially the same as it was when cars first hit the roads. Autonomous cars will change driving, but we aren't as close to that future as some tend to think.
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So flip the top two on my list.

Anything he did with the engine influenced cars of the past - no part of that is useful for future cars, but obviously it did influence cars, so we'll give him points for it. The frame stuff, though I don't think Tesla uses it, I see no reason it couldn't be influential for other companies.

Musk changed:
1 - Auto buying (goodbye forever dealers. Nobody will ever miss you.)
2 - Auto fueling (goodbye gas.)
3 - Auto maintenance
4 - Auto dashboards
5 - Autopilot. Whereas Google is endlessly in the news about their tests on self driving cars, Tesla simply makes and sells autonomous cars. It's great that Google wants to make something better, but the thing is, betas never end and products never ship at Google. Google doesn't deserve even close to the amount of attention they get. Anyways, this list says that the Google CEO should get the top spot because Google is test driving 100 self driving cars (and has been for years). Obviously Musk should get the top spot, because he has actually shipped tens (or hundreds?) of thousands of cars that manage themselves on the highway. And I wouldn't be surprised if the extra sensors that got added to the car last month will be turned on with a software update later this year that enables them to manage themselves on surface streets, too.
 
Cuban Missles said:
This reminds me of when Obama was given the Nobel peace prize before he even got into office.
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It was well into his first year, not before. And the award was for Obama’s support for nuclear nonproliferation and a new effort in international relations. Obama said he was surprised by it, though, so he might agree with you.
 
So, because Apple has said something about cars, and Google is busy playing with them... they suddenly make some list on influence on the industry? Maybe in terms of being a distraction to it. :)
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
So flip the top two on my list.

Anything he did with the engine influenced cars of the past - no part of that is useful for future cars, but obviously it did influence cars, so we'll give him points for it. The frame stuff, though I don't think Tesla uses it, I see no reason it couldn't be influential for other companies.

Musk changed:
1 - Auto buying (goodbye forever dealers. Nobody will ever miss you.)
2 - Auto fueling (goodbye gas.)
3 - Auto maintenance
4 - Auto dashboards
5 - Autopilot. Whereas Google is endlessly in the news about their tests on self driving cars, Tesla simply makes and sells autonomous cars. It's great that Google wants to make something better, but the thing is, betas never end and products never ship at Google. Google doesn't deserve even close to the amount of attention they get. Anyways, this list says that the Google CEO should get the top spot because Google is test driving 100 self driving cars (and has been for years). Obviously Musk should get the top spot, because he has actually shipped tens (or hundreds?) of thousands of cars that manage themselves on the highway. And I wouldn't be surprised if the extra sensors that got added to the car last month will be turned on with a software update later this year that enables them to manage themselves on surface streets, too.
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Respectfully, you need to look up the definition of changed. Nothing you listed qualifies. Unquestionably nothing.
1 - The overwhelmingly vast majority of people still buy cars from dealerships. Nobody will miss them because they're damn near unavoidable. Unless Musk uses some of that reservation money to bribe politicians, dealerships aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
2 - Goodbye gas. On what planet? Certainly not the 3rd rock from the sun.
3 - Maintenance? What does that even mean? All cars, Teslas included have to be maintained. Minus engine work, every Tesla has the same maintenance expectation as any other car: brakes, tires, suspension, wear n tear parts, etc.
4 - If you think the Model 3 is shipping with that single touchscreen monitor and steering wheel, well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but: In what seems to be his favorite medium of communication, Musk tweeted that the setup shown last week is "not the real system."

"Wait until you see the real steering controls and system for the 3," Musk said in a separate tweet, "It feels like a spaceship."

In response to a tweet questioning the Model 3 prototype's apparent lack of a traditional gauge cluster, Musk also said "it will make sense after part two" of the Model 3 reveal. So don't get too enamored with that interior.
5 - {sigh} The Model 3 has autonomous driving hardware. The associated mapping and algorithmic software is yet to be seen and even if it gets off the ground it's going to have to go through strenuous testing before being approved. Pretty much all car companies have the hardware.

Look I know you're a fan of Musk, Tesla, and the Model 3. I am too, well minus that nose on the Model 3. But you seem to confuse Elon's marketing and salesmanship with reality. Reality is, nothing you've mentioned has changed. Those things could change in the future; some sooner than others. Musk is an innovator on several fronts and deserves most of his accolades. He is not a genie and doesn't sell magic carpets.
 
Maybe Ive and Cook have a career in the automotive industry versus the Technology industry. The focus has shifted away from innovation and in the sights of this proposed 'Apple Car.'
 
Such twisted logic. Shouldn't they be giving the award to the designers of the apps that work with the iPhone? TC didn't have anything to do with the app, he didn't even have anything to do with the app store. It's like crediting Eisenhower for the Ford Thunderbird because he pushed for a national interstate system.
 
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MRxROBOT said:
:rolleyes: First TIME, now this. Everybody's a fanboy these days.
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The Drive is TIME's cars site.

I've read car rags for more years than I care to recall, and only recognize a couple names at best on their staff.

Most of them originate from men's lifestyle magazines, the thinly veiled ad showcases (mostly for watches and clothes) spiked with some occasional fluffy content. Hardly authoritative even for stuff like this.

These kinds of lists are at best a topic for debate, at worst a exercise in uninformed opinion. Always to be taken with a salt shaker.

TIME's influential gadgets list was also amusing, with some really odd choices, and completely failing to notice the roles that the laser printer, PostScript and desktop publishing played in the growth of personal computers, not to mention being an important killer app for GUIs and the Mac.
 
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