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Cover equally - or fairly?

Because perhaps I'm just more politically involved now - but I don't remember any President being in the news this much and the time spent. I mean - perhaps when Bill Clinton was in the midst of his scandal. But the amount of airtime given to Trump, his administration and stories about him seems extensive. Perhaps I have selective memory.

I suppose fairly would be accurate but I tend to stay away from the word "fair" because it gets abused so much in politics. Certainly coverage is greater now than ever, both due to divisiveness between sides as well as the internet age of the world.

What I don't like is a big chunk of that divisiveness comes from media coverage changing from reporting the news (facts) to commentating on the news (opinions). When the free press has an agenda that follows their opinions, the coverage is no longer accurate as they tend to only report what furthers their agenda.
 
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I am a scientist engaged in basic research. Putting 'E" in with STEM makes no sense. Engineering and science are different, and there needs to be more funding for engineering education, otherwise we'll know how to cure the common cold but not know how to build a bridge.
 
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Let's cut 9 billion from the education budget and ask companies to recommend an alternate source. Basically, well threaten the tech giants that if they don't help fund education, there will be no one educated in the STEM jobs their companies need.

I get where you're coming from, but I fear these companies will say "I'm outta here" unless the fines for doing so far outweigh the money they'll cough up to do what you suggest. I find many companies care more about their profits than the US education system. Why pay up here when you can get it cheaper overseas?


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Indeed. I'm constantly amazed how many initiatives by corporations, governments, etc. have no involvement or input from actual teachers in actual classrooms; this one seems to have nominally involved some teachers (or at least "educators"), but I feel like companies like Apple could really move the needle if they threw themselves behind teachers rather than acted as a political proxy for schools and teachers.

As someone who works in a school (public, I might add), I agree. While I find it important to ask these tech leaders what particular skills Americans lack (the "What" or goal), teachers & staff in schools can help in with the "How". In my experience, both the What & How are important.
 
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The problem here is that the experts dont always make soumd rational suggestions. The latest stupid sound bite is that coding should be mandatory. That makes about as much sense as saying advanced maths should be mandatory. Lets face not every student has the ability to understand these subjects.

Id rather see student culled for the abilities they have and support them fully when they choose an educational direction. Otherwise you end up wasting tons of money.

In any event we need to stop calling course in high schools, that teach the use of a word processor and a spreadsheet, computer science. This is perhaps the biggest bamboozle that has come from the school systems in years. Just about as bad as trying to pass off value in learning spanish in high school. In a nut shell high schools really don't have a grip on what a comp-sci program should be.

Frankly it is here that the federal goverment might be useful as they can set up standards for schools too meet to get funding. That might generate endless arguments but some sort of standards that define what a student should learn would at least level what schools can pass off as comp-sci.

By the way i see comp-sci education as being broader than just writing software. We can't lose focus on the hardware end of things. In fact too much focus on just software will detract from the rest of the STEM world. In other words lets not forget the science portion of STEM. In fact computer programming should be way down on the list as we need to support the general sciences strongly.


Any help public schools can get. Seeking help of what most would call experts in their given business is better than the typical throw more funds at it.
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[doublepost=1501194821][/doublepost]What we need is a balanced system. Frankly not every student is suitable for a STEM focused education. In high school those that are, should be exposed to as many career possibilities as is practical. I really think the idea that we should shove programming down the throats of 100% of the students is extremely miss guided. For one it doesnt recognize the broad spectrum of intelligence in the school body. Second you might turn off somebody that is truly gifted in another area of study.

In otherwords STEM isn't computer science. It is actually a massive array of possibilities for pursuit.

I am a scientist engaged in basic research. Putting 'E" in with STEM makes no sense. Engineering and science are different, and there needs to be more funding for engineering education, otherwise we'll know how to cure the common cold but not know how to build a bridge.
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Why is a failed shoe designer involved with this?
Considering the scum that inhabits Washington, Trump is likely far better off. He is far more likely to get a decent response to a question from her relative to almost any elected official in Washington. Plus there is no need to worry about people with agendas that dont jive with getting the job done.

It isnt perfect but at this time in our history id be doing the same thing as Trump. That is to take power from the Washington establishment.
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So you want CNN to bump the front page stories about the surprise blindsiding of the Pentagon regarding throwing out transgender troops and the ongoing Senate debate about the nation's healthcare so that they can instead feature a vague story about a conference call that someday may result in changes to guidelines for school curriculum funding?
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Transgender hysteria? These people are serving our nation, right now. They deserve to know what's supposed to happen with their lives. And what are YOU doing? Brushing them off while you sit at your computer doing nothing to help the armed services. Shame on you.
Why would you want somebody in military service that is effectively mentally ill? Shame on you for wanting to give a rocket launcher to such a person.
 
The problem here is that the experts dont always make soumd rational suggestions. The latest stupid sound bite is that coding should be mandatory. That makes about as much sense as saying advanced maths should be mandatory. Lets face not every student has the ability to understand these subjects...

Anybody who can write or follow a recipe can code, or at least learn enough about it to understand it. Indeed, if the software industry pulled its finger out and made IDE's and programming languages more intuitive, then many more people would code (but, of course, they don't want to do that because it increases competition). I think making mandatory performance levels for coding and maths does not make sense, as you point out, but I do think students should be taken as far in these subjects as they can.
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By the way i see comp-sci education as being broader than just writing software. We can't lose focus on the hardware end of things. ...

I so very much agree with this. This was how I was taught computing - from the CPU to coding. Also, in my field (neuroscience) the people who can code, who understand electronics enough to design simple circuits, and who can build simple pieces of equipment are the ones that get ahead early in their careers because they are the most in demand and therefore have the most flexibility.
 
Well it seems to me that you're not a fan of CNN. If that's the case - why is it so important that they publish a story about it. And then why the need to move the goalpost to it being a front page story? While important. And I do think STEM is important. Given what's going on in the world and in this country, I'm not sure I would deem it "front page" news.
Yeah, you're right. Good news doesn't sell these days. Gotta beat the ol' Trump up a little to make ourselves feel better.

I'm not attacking you personally, I just think CNN leads the pack in large Media companies maximizing negative stories about a president of whom it is trendy to beat up on, while minimizing positive stories.

What I want is for news sources that are at the frontline to be firmly in the middle politically of posting news. Post bad news and post good news equally; don't just post things that reinforce the hate for a man or a political party. It's annoying... I just want a news source that isn't biased. (Fox....CNN... Breibart..... NPR.... left.... right.... they'll all slanted) I want to be informed, not catered too.

But whatever :D Petty whinings. Ha

So you want CNN to bump the front page stories about the surprise blindsiding of the Pentagon regarding throwing out transgender troops and the ongoing Senate debate about the nation's healthcare so that they can instead feature a vague story about a conference call that someday may result in changes to guidelines for school curriculum funding?


Hey, I just want news sources to inform, not cater to political slants and popular negative sentiments regarding a person or their political party. I would be equally bothered if Trump got NOTHING but praise and adoration from a major news outlet.

Just give me the straight, boring information :D
 
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How about involving teachers? You want to know why education isn't working in this country? Ask the people on the front lines.

This is where your standing ovation goes.

Those of us "on the front lines" are rarely consulted about anything, including what policies are implemented in our own buildings. The further away from the classroom you get, the more input you get. Some school superintendents have never taught. We won't even get into the current secretary of education.

I get where you're coming from, but I fear these companies will say "I'm outta here" unless the fines for doing so far outweigh the money they'll cough up to do what you suggest. I find many companies care more about their profits than the US education system. Why pay up here when you can get it cheaper overseas?

Oh, this wasn't my recommendation. This was my interpretation of what's happening. I know it would never work. But it is another threat from the White House.


As someone who works in a school (public, I might add), I agree. While I find it important to ask these tech leaders what particular skills Americans lack (the "What" or goal), teachers & staff in schools can help in with the "How". In my experience, both the What & How are important.

More schools need to partner with local businesses to work on that now. That way, both questions are answered. Everyone benefits.
 
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Those of us "on the front lines" are rarely consulted about anything, including what policies are implemented in our own buildings. The further away from the classroom you get, the more input you get. Some school superintendents have never taught. We won't even get into the current secretary of education.

While some of the teachers & staff have some input in my district, I have to agree. My district had to go to a multi-million dollar referendum to build a new school because the district refused to see structural & environmental issues that the principal, teachers & staff had warned about for YEARS.


Oh, this wasn't my recommendation. This was my interpretation of what's happening. I know it would never work. But it is another threat from the White House.

My bad, just misunderstood. Sorry!

More schools need to partner with local businesses to work on that now. That way, both questions are answered. Everyone benefits.

Indeed. Obviously, it'll take a while to get the skills, but I like it. Maybe broaden public-private partnerships where employers could partially reimburse college/trade school tuition on the condition that the employee works X amount of time for the employer. Plus, any on the job work can be used for college credit. I know many colleges do something this, but broaden it to more people.
 
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