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The last thing I would do is to let my car be driving by a software. It is going to fail. In the street you need skills. Is not of what you could do but about what every one else could be doing. On top of that... it is a software with bugs. Would you be riding at 80 MPH on a software?

LOL. Its the future. Better get used to the idea!

Self driving cars will help with gridlock in our cities. Amongst other benefits.
 
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No, because the software is going to govern you to a strict wimpy speed limit. So you'll be arriving at all your destinations hours later than expected.

This makes no sense.

Use a little imagination. So let's say the car is limited to 65 MPH on highways and 30 MPH in the city. On the highway there will be much less congestion because the cars are all talking to one another and coordinating their acceleration and deceleration. In the city there will be less waiting at stoplights as the infrastructure itself will regulate the flow of traffic based on demand. This will save a huge amount of time. Fewer accidents means less congestion. Plus you get to actually spend the time in the car being productive (or lazy) instead of stressing out driving.

Now compare it to going an unsafe 85 MPH on the freeway on your own. There is a much higher likelihood of an accident, which could be fatal at that speed. And then you cause a huge traffic jam behind you as they remove the charred vehicle from the roadway. For the potential savings in time of a few minutes as most vs going 65.

And eventually, as self-driving tech improves, you'll have "trains" of cars going 100 MPH inches from each other, all in constant communication and coordinating every move they make. This will be dramatically faster than the current setup.
 
And Apple has neither the discipline or business process to ship relatively bug free software. Its kinda like building a space shuttle. You can't have marketing in absolute control and Ive removing functionality so it can be smaller if you want a product that works reliably. Its also not in Apple's DNA to make products that last more then a couple of years. Won't it be nice to know that you need to replace your car every 3 years to be safe and hacker free.
BS. I know people still using an iPad 2 and using Mac laptops that are 5 or more years old. Product obsolescence is due to the rapid pace of technology improvements not because Apple is shipping poor quality hardware that doesn't last.
 
I'm curious as to why advanced control and measurement techniques nowadays are called AI. There's really not much intelligence included in keeping a car in a lane or avoiding obstacles. It's just programmed reactions to input from sensors.

I didn't say it was easy, just that it is not really that much "AI" included. I don't think anyone would call the system that controls your heat pump at home "AI", it just keeps the room temperature at your desired setting with regards to the outside temp, inside temp and perhaps some other variables. Reactions to sensor input according to algorithms.

The interesting part will be when the elephant in the room has to be discussed: ethics.
A self driving car might have to make very tough decisions like:
To avoid the crash going straight ahead, killing the occupants in the car, the other options are to kill the pedestrians to the right or the cyclists to the left but saving the occupants of the car.

A human driving a car on the right side of the road would probably weer to the right killing the pedestrians as a reflex, but the car with "AI" has to make a "decision".
None of the options are the obvious right one. The self driving car cannot "think", it will do what the algorithms tells it to do.

A car with "assistive systems" may help the driver in whatever decision he or she makes, but the car does not make the decision.

When the car makes the decision, is the driver no longer at fault?
-"But officer, the car ran over that old lady by itself, I was looking at Facebook on the screen".

Or will the driver be responsible for whatever actions the car takes, even if the driver has no control?

I see some very interesting court cases up ahead...
 
Tons of people are asking for self-driving cars. The human and financial cost (in lives and time lost) of human-driven cars is huge, and we are on the verge of a revolution that will completely upend the automotive industry as we know it. Anyone not trying to get a piece of what will be a massive business is foolish.

Who? Maybe handicapped people? I think you're getting FLYING CARS confused with SELF DRIVING ONES.

No one wants these. It removes your reasoning to have a car. It is only good as a means to track our movement and to shut down our travel ability remotely.

Do people seriously want to have no control over the variable of being able to avoid the non-self driving vehicles? This is so strange.
 
Every time I hear about an Apple Car, I always think about this parody video:
 
Who? Maybe handicapped people? I think you're getting FLYING CARS confused with SELF DRIVING ONES.

No one wants these. It removes your reasoning to have a car. It is only good as a means to track our movement and to shut down our travel ability remotely.

Do people seriously want to have no control over the variable of being able to avoid the non-self driving vehicles? This is so strange.

I know it's a hackneyed response, but honestly you sound like someone who rode a horse all his life arguing against motorized vehicles.

Look, I love driving too, but there are undeniable benefits to automation that I think you're having trouble grasping.
 
Machines will fail, certainly. But humans fail at a much higher rate.
The problem though is that many people are willing to trust themselves much more than a machine for something as crucial as getting home safely.

We can all argue we want how theoretically machines would make traffic more safe, but people's SENSE of comfort and security depends a lot more on feelings and an established bond [of trust] than many nerds who just find the concept cool and are naturally more willing to give this a chance would like to believe.

As for myself, I'm a bit like that, but mostly I just want to drive myself because I can and want to.

I enjoy being a driver a lot.

Glassed Silver:ios
 
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I know it's a hackneyed response, but honestly you sound like someone who rode a horse all his life arguing against motorized vehicles.

Look, I love driving too, but there are undeniable benefits to automation that I think you're having trouble grasping.

Oh, but it's all about freedom, freedom, freedom. No one else's opinion or safety matters. How else could someone say "No one wants these" when so many forum members (sure, it's not unanimous) have said they do?
 
What even is the point, unless Apple controls the means of car production?

It all seems so very un-Apple, and is akin to Apple putting MacOS out their for installation on regular PCs.

Automobiles (from any company, take your pick) are powerfully distinctive end-to-end products, just like a MacBook Pro. The design, aesthetic, and function of an automobile is not just a statement about the driver, but also about the manufacturer. There's a reason you can easily spot a Ferrari, an Audi, a Tesla, or a Ford. Without even having driven one, you probably already understand the accoutrements of each, and the types of people who drive them.

The automobile manufacturers aren't going to just implement Apple's autonomous driving system just because it develops it. Furthermore, many of them are already developing their own driverless systems (albeit slowly). Apple's will be patented and most likely come with a royalty.

If Apple wants complete end-to-end creativity, direction, and implementation of it's driverless AI system, it's going to have to shop around. Use some of that warchest to buy out one of the manufacturers. Otherwise, I think it will be a case of "Thanks but no thanks, we'll do it our way."
I don't know Apple's plans, but buying a manufacturer like Ford or GM would put them in the business of selling human-driven ICE cars. It would be like if they had bought Nokia's mobile phone division or Blackberry. They'd have inherited all of Nokia's or Blackberry's product line (possibly just to kill it).

Whatever Apple does will likely be forward-thinking. Cars as a service or something like that. Those of us with 20th century ideas of what a car should be will either have to adjust our way of thinking or be left behind. (We won't be without options, we just won't be a part of the Apple Automotive Revolution.)
 
If silly old Cooky "reimagines" building a new car from scratch all those lovely greed-gathered profits will evaporate almost as fast as his job. In fact, thinking about it, this could be a back-handed plot to oust him.
 
Well my RS7 Performance 2017, R8+ 2016 and S5 2017 all don't suck.. two of which have CarPlay and the Audi systems are leagues better and more functional IMO.

Audi MMI I'd pretty "cool looking" if you are into what tech looks like in movies - in reality, it is a pretty poor UX.
 
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The problem though is that many people are willing to trust themselves much more than a machine for something as crucial as getting home safely.

We can all argue we want how theoretically machines would make traffic more safe, but people's SENSE of comfort and security depends a lot more on feelings and an established bond [of trust] than many nerds who just find the concept cool and are naturally more willing to give this a chance would like to believe.

As for myself, I'm a bit like that, but mostly I just want to drive myself because I can and want to.

I enjoy being a driver a lot.

Glassed Silver:ios

At least when I say I want machines to make traffic safe I'm implying that I want the system proven to work. To me that means demonstrated performance and response to hazardous situations, not a theoretical improvement. I know a machine can be more attentive than I can be on long trips or times when I'm not at my peak. I know this is true of other drivers as well. I also know that people are very afraid of surrendering control over their safety to a machine (even though they do it all the time) so the first autonomous cars will necessarily come as high end options that allow people to become familiar and comfortable with the technology.

It's been happening slowly over a decade, and the first fully autonomous vehicles will merely be an evolutionary step in driver assist technology.
 
The problem though is that many people are willing to trust themselves much more than a machine for something as crucial as getting home safely.

We can all argue we want how theoretically machines would make traffic more safe, but people's SENSE of comfort and security depends a lot more on feelings and an established bond [of trust] than many nerds who just find the concept cool and are naturally more willing to give this a chance would like to believe.

Ultimately it's not going to be anyone's "feelings" on the matter that drive adoption of this tech. At first, it will be the dramatic decrease in insurance premiums that owners of self-driving cars will pay (a poll found that acceptance of this tech increased dramatically when drivers were offered a 90% discount on insurance). Eventually it will be government policy requiring automation to use certain infrastructure (ie self-driving car only lanes). At some point it will be the default.
 
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No one. In Life. Has ever asked for self driving cars.

LOL. This push is so bizarre to me. Who in the world would want this? These are like Red Light Cameras.

Knight Rider in the 1980s proved lots of people want autonomous!!!
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BS. I know people still using an iPad 2 and using Mac laptops that are 5 or more years old. Product obsolescence is due to the rapid pace of technology improvements not because Apple is shipping poor quality hardware that doesn't last.

I tend to think Apple makes lasting products, but they Jedi mind trick you into thinking you need a new product every two years. Also, they seem to add intentional speed bumps in the OS for older devices to intentionally slow it down. My iPad used to be fast using certain apps or going to certain websites that haven't changed in 4 years, but my 4 year old iPad is definitely slower with those unchanged things. Apple's motto, "being unethical is not illegal... make more profit any way you can".
 
At least when I say I want machines to make traffic safe I'm implying that I want the system proven to work. To me that means demonstrated performance and response to hazardous situations, not a theoretical improvement. I know a machine can be more attentive than I can be on long trips or times when I'm not at my peak. I know this is true of other drivers as well. I also know that people are very afraid of surrendering control over their safety to a machine (even though they do it all the time) so the first autonomous cars will necessarily come as high end options that allow people to become familiar and comfortable with the technology.

It's been happening slowly over a decade, and the first fully autonomous vehicles will merely be an evolutionary step in driver assist technology.
We've had decades of cruise control and automatic transmission for even longer. Most current cruise control automatically slows if you get too close to the car in front of you. Automatic emergency stopping is becoming a more common feature (at least in TV commercials). My car warns me if a car is in my blind spot.

Tesla's cruise control (they call it Automatic Pilot) will even change lanes to get around slower traffic.

I agree that incremental changes will get most people comfortable with technology, so that we'll (most of us) be ready to see the steering column fold up and out of the way (or disappear completely) when it happens.
 
"We sort of see it as the mother of all AI projects," Cook said ... "It's probably one of the most difficult AI projects actually to work on."

If this thing is smart-like-SIRI, ... you gonna die!
 
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The last thing I would do is to let my car be driving by a software. It is going to fail. In the street you need skills. Is not of what you could do but about what every one else could be doing. On top of that... it is a software with bugs. Would you be riding at 80 MPH on a software?
You do realize that tens of thousands of planes traveling near the speed of sound are piloted 99.9% by software every day, don't you?
 
The problem though is that many people are willing to trust themselves much more than a machine for something as crucial as getting home safely.

We can all argue we want how theoretically machines would make traffic more safe, but people's SENSE of comfort and security depends a lot more on feelings and an established bond [of trust] than many nerds who just find the concept cool and are naturally more willing to give this a chance would like to believe.

As for myself, I'm a bit like that, but mostly I just want to drive myself because I can and want to.

I enjoy being a driver a lot.

Glassed Silver:ios

I drive. A lot. The last 15 years, I have covered almost 400k miles. I have driven different vehicles in very different conditions. One could say I have got experience.
I consider myself a pretty good driver, and not because I can get very good lap times at the Ring (I can't), but because I've never been in an accident, and avoided quite a few.

What I'm not so keen about when it comes to autonomous cars is that I have 25 years of driving experience, something that I make use of every day, and so does any other careful driver. Assess situations, try to predict how the traffic moves and act accordingly. A self driving car will be no better than the people programming it and even then, the "thinking ahead" part and "what if" part is not as easy to get right as to keep in lanes and avoid obstacles. How about detours? Perhaps the have to build some temporary roads to move traffic around roadworks. That sure is no easy task for a self driving car. For human driver that is no problem, but for a computer program controlling the vehicle using sensors.

There's a reason this is part of the macOS EULA:
E. YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE APPLE SOFTWARE AND SERVICES ARE NOT
INTENDED OR SUITABLE FOR USE IN SITUATIONS OR ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THE FAILURE OR
TIME DELAYS OF, OR ERRORS OR INACCURACIES IN THE CONTENT, DATA OR INFORMATION
PROVIDED BY, THE APPLE SOFTWARE OR SERVICES COULD LEAD TO DEATH, PERSONAL INJURY,
OR SEVERE PHYSICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE
OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR
TRAFFIC CONTROL, LIFE SUPPORT OR WEAPONS SYSTEMS.

I know it's "standard stuff", but still. Software for self driving cars has to adhere to different rules. Not so easy to weasel out of liability.
 
Agreed. I've driven over one million miles now. I've never had an accident, which makes my track record objectively SIGNIFICANTLY safer than AI cars. I want ZERO tech in my car. It is all distracting. All I care about is steering suspension drivetrain and suspension and suspension. And suspension. Any money wasted on gizmos is better applied to superior suspension. It blows my mind that even today most Toyota's have the rear wheels hanging off a big bobby pin instead a even a cheap independent setup of ANY kind. Those cars are one emergency avoidance maneuver from killing their occupants.

Don't even get me started on the horrors of the current gen of software controlled electric power steering! I wonder how many people it has killed so far that would be alive today if they had had plain hydraulic or unassisted steering?!?
Not very scientific of you. How can you objectively state anything about your driving safety when there is only one of you driving around? It could be a fluke that you made it to a million miles without an accident or maybe it's just where and when you choose to drive. There are several hundred autonomous vehicles driving all over the world currently. Collectively averaged, they are much better drivers than you and any other human alive and they are only getting better. You haven't finished your driving career yet so statistically, you are due for an accident. Be careful.
 
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