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You guys need to understand tax havens to understand that what the USA Government/Treasury is asking Apple to do is actually the right thing to do. Many large companies funnel their money (and their profits) through countries with either NO sales tax, or very little sales tax, in order to not pay as much in tax, and then they route those products to other countries.

The Cayman Islands is well renown for this (there are heaps of countries that they use). Basically, they sell products to their subsidiary in the Cayman Islands at cost price (so they don't pay US tax as there is no profit), then they sell the products from the cayman Islands subsidiaries to other subsidiaries in other parts of the world for a HUGE profit (and not pay tax on that profit as the tax rate is 0%), and then in those other parts of the world they then sell again for the new cost price.

This is a huge practice amongst large businesses, and it means they don't even need to ship ANY products to the Cayman Islands. In fact, they just use a post office box for mail in the Cayman Islands and therefore don't even need an office there.

Apple HAVE been accused of using Tax Havens all over the world. That is why the USA Government/Treasury is having a go at them. They are putting practices in place to avoid tax, and that is why Apple don't want to return money back to the USA - because then their Tax Haven practices would be almost pointless.
 
Shouldn't we have signs on our shores that say "Please bring your money here and spend it."

How could that be a bad thing?

Instead, let's tax it at 35% to discourage it from coming home. :rolleyes:

You seem to misunderstand me. I want profits to be taxed in the country of sale, with any remaining balance free to move between countries, NOT a 35% entrance fee on already-taxed profits.

What needs to stop is the Cayman/Ireland shuffle. Whatever sales occur in that country should be taxed in that country. The remaining profits should be free to move wherever (like the US) without additional taxation.
 
Geez perhaps the US needs to rethink its own tax policy it just may bring jobs back to the USA

Should we go back to the tax rates when we saw some of the largest growths in American history? I'd be alright with that of the late 1990's, but we can't forget the growth between 1950 and 1970.

Which period do you think we should go to?
 
Don't American citizens pay tax to Uncle Sam (or at least file a tax return) no matter where they live in the world? Surely the same logic should apply to US corporations. Presumably the USMC would be in like a shot if any US corporate interests were threatened anywhere in the world.
 
Had Apple invested some of their cash overseas with the Rothschilds I am sure that they would have turned a blind eye but seeing them sitting on so much cash without willing to share it they started to look for trouble and make trouble for them. Notice how they do not bother Google much in the US..

Nothing like popping a little medieval anti-semitism into the middle of a discussion on Apple's tax obligations.
 
Are you implying that Apple, Google and Microsoft are not paying taxes in accordance with European laws? I beleive they are all doing what is mandated by the laws in the countries they operate. Whether you approve of it or not is not, the local laws must be followed, and it's not your place to pass judgement on the laws in other countries.

Microsoft has aready been condemn 3 times for taxes problem in France, Google it starting to smell not good for them recently in UK and Apple we will see...

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What is full... Seems like that is the discussion all these big corporations would like to have.

Also, above a certain amount, a US citizen pays double tax (US and the country of earnings).

nope you don't. I -at worst- pay the highest of the two. If US taxes are higher, you will pay the difference with your current country. If your current country taxes are higher than US, then you only pay in your country and 0 in US.

Taxes 101...
 
Now for people saying that Apple is doing it 'right', they just found a hole in the system just as everybody else. It doesn't make it 'right' even if it's not illegal.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/28/business/Double-Irish-With-A-Dutch-Sandwich.html?_r=1&

Adult people shouldn't cheat with the system, this is why we got so ****ed up laws for every stupid case at the end: because people are like kids playing monopoly and try to cheat everytime they can.

This is called responsability.
 
Now for people saying that Apple is doing it 'right', they just found a hole in the system just as everybody else. It doesn't make it 'right' even if it's not illegal.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/28/business/Double-Irish-With-A-Dutch-Sandwich.html?_r=1&

Adult people shouldn't cheat with the system, this is why we got so ****ed up laws for every stupid case at the end: because people are like kids playing monopoly and try to cheat everytime they can.

This is called responsability.


Typical NY Times (of late) Apple bashing. Tim Cook has stated Apple does not do this.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1584783/
 
Nothing like popping a little medieval anti-semitism into the middle of a discussion on Apple's tax obligations.

You crack me up lol.. Nothing about that comment was anti-semitism.:rolleyes: Doesn't Google and Starbucks have tax obligation issues in the UK:confused:
 
You crack me up lol.. Nothing about that comment was anti-semitism.:rolleyes: Doesn't Google and Starbucks have tax obligation issues in the UK:confused:

Oh, well then... please expand on the Rothchilds comment? And explain why you think Google has no tax issues in the US? And, in case this wasn't clear.... Apple doesn't have tax issues. A couple of Senators made some political hay today while they had the spotlight at the beginning of a Committee session that will now hear oodles of very boring testimony from a bunch of tax experts on how to amend the US corporate tax system. Oh Fun!

Apple executives chose to attend to offer expert testimony, and there are no charges being contemplated.
 
Oh, well then... please expand on the Rothchilds comment? And explain why you think Google has no tax issues in the US? And, in case this wasn't clear.... Apple doesn't have tax issues. A couple of Senators made some political hay today while they had the spotlight at the beginning of a Committee session that will now hear oodles of very boring testimony from a bunch of tax experts on how to amend the US corporate tax system. Oh Fun!

Apple executives chose to attend to offer expert testimony, and there are no charges being contemplated.


Funny lol.. To discuss or question one is perfectly fine but to discuss or mention another is anti-Semitic. Please explain why?
 
Funny lol.. To discuss or question one is perfectly fine but to discuss or mention another is anti-Semitic. Please explain why?

Do you think we are playing a game here? Do you think I get my jollies debunking hate statements? Do you think spreading hate is just for fun? People's lives are ruined and people die because when hate goes unchecked.

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You have linked to a white supremacy blog that vilifies Jews.

You have noted, more than once, that Google's founders (and inaccurately) owners are Jewish. You insinuated that a video link you posted and that had been blocked was because of Google/YouTube. Though ironically the blocked link was actually to an Arabic owned media source - and I was able to easily find the video on - - YouTube. I'm still waiting for your reply on my post that debunked your points, btw.

You have referenced the Rothschilds in more than one thread. You do know that the Rothschilds - as you used the term - means "dirty money mongering kites"? Except you have insert the 'k' for the 't', of course. Perhaps the websites you like to pull your material from forgot to mention that? Did you follow the link I left for you in my reply to your Federal Reserve post?

Did you not realize that when you started spreading these hate message outside of the PRSI forums, that people would notice. That they would start following your other threads? That they would start documenting your spreading of these hate messages?

For the record I didn't go into the PRSI looking for hate... I don't need to go in there to know it exists. I forget now which non-PRSI thread you posted to (and it doesn't matter anyway) - but you posted something that made me take notice and I started reading your other posts. I started to rationally refute your rather simplistic anti-Israeli rants - point by point. Which, by the way, you never really did address. How could you if you don't have any real substance and all you have are the hate & lies.

Also, for the record, I will point out that I only started pointing out your anti-semitic comments when you moved from attacking Israel as a nation, to attacking Jews for their religion. Though - of course - you rarely attacked openly. You insinuated things. You used code words. You linked to hate web sites that discussed people's religion - but only if they were Jewish.

Now the ball is in your court. For myself, I don't care about any of your other personal views.
 
Do you think we are playing a game here? Do you think I get my jollies debunking hate statements? Do you think spreading hate is just for fun? People's lives are ruined and people die because when hate goes unchecked.

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You have linked to a white supremacy blog that vilifies Jews.

You have noted, more than once, that Google's founders (and inaccurately) owners are Jewish. You insinuated that a video link you posted and that had been blocked was because of Google/YouTube. Though ironically the blocked link was actually to an Arabic owned media source - and I was able to easily find the video on - - YouTube. I'm still waiting for your reply on my post that debunked your points, btw.

You have referenced the Rothschilds in more than one thread. You do know that the Rothschilds - as you used the term - means "dirty money mongering kites"? Except you have insert the 'k' for the 't', of course. Perhaps the websites you like to pull your material from forgot to mention that? Did you follow the link I left for you in my reply to your Federal Reserve post?

Did you not realize that when you started spreading these hate message outside of the PRSI forums, that people would notice. That they would start following your other threads? That they would start documenting your spreading of these hate messages?

For the record I didn't go into the PRSI looking for hate... I don't need to go in there to know it exists. I forget now which non-PRSI thread you posted to (and it doesn't matter anyway) - but you posted something that made me take notice and I started reading your other posts. I started to rationally refute your rather simplistic anti-Israeli rants - point by point. Which, by the way, you never really did address. How could you if you don't have any real substance and all you have are the hate & lies.

Also, for the record, I will point out that I only started pointing out your anti-semitic comments when you moved from attacking Israel as a nation, to attacking Jews for their religion. Though - of course - you rarely attacked openly. You insinuated things. You used code words. You linked to hate web sites that discussed people's religion - but only if they were Jewish.

Now the ball is in your court. For myself, I don't care about any of your other personal views.

First if all no one attacked you personally so your personal attacks are not appreciated. If you do not care about any of my personal points of view then you can simply ignore my posts. No one obliges you to respond to my posts. If you disagree with a post then that is your own personal opinion but if you find something that was posted to be false then feel free to free to post evidence or link to evidence proving otherwise. If you find evidence that a link author of the website I linked posted hate on that site himself please provide evidence notifying me of that as I may have not paid attention to it or accidentally missed that as I do not support any hate sites and will not intentionally link links to hate sites.

There are plant of websites out there that list which Muslims control what,Christians control what,Budhists control what Jews control what and etc.. Those are not necessarily hate sites. If there is hate written on there by the author then that is another story but otherwise it is just information. If you wish to view this information in a negative or positive way then that is your own personal option and you should not make personal attacks on others here because of a point of view that they made of which you may or may not like. Each person in entitled to their own opinion. This is a Political Forum, if you are easily offended or can accept the views of others without attacking them personally then perhaps this forum is not suitable for you. In Political forums there are always people that will have different points of views on things and each person is entitled to their own. If anything that is posted or linked to is found to be false then feel free to provide evidence proving that it is false and it will gladly be accepted. In forums people discuss stories and some stories are sensitive to some especially the political ones and religious ones. If one can not accept views from others then they should ignore the posts of those people or stay out of that thread. We each and all have choices and opinions of which we may or may not agree with. There are many here who turn a blind eye to posts to their likings and are quick to bash those that have posts of which are not to their likings.

You seem to have extreme views and opinions. You also turn a blind eye to posts of others which are to your likings but are quick to attack and bash those that make posts not to your likings. There are times when a Google website comes up on top for a story and many of the times when we see this site or click on it we may not know the full details of this site or author. If a wrong site was clicked on that was a hate site the accept I ask that you accept an apology. If you do see something like this please provide evidence of the author on that particular site noting where it stated that it was a white supremacist or hate site. No one in their right mind would see such a site and post a link to it. If there was something hidden in that site of which I did not see then I apologize. You obviously must have seen something I did not see.
 
You have twice offered a qualified apology.

Once again, I am prepared to end this particular line if you simply delete the posts and/or references that I have listed in my post here.

I am also addressing the rest of your points in that same thread, since this thread is about Apple and Taxes, and not whether you are spreading hate.
 
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