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"Web browsing" is a very vague and ranging topic. It's especially vague considering sites like Hulu and YouTube, which offer streaming video. . .. Connection speed is one part of the speed equation, but so are the guts of the computer being used..


I assumed that netbooks could handle Hulu and YouTube and used WiFi. So, when I say "web browsing," I'm referring to whatever the widely-available current state-of-the-art is. So maybe my 10 years ago claim is an exaggeration, but today's web can be handled by computers that are about 5 years old.

So, you are right. If I bought a netbook and it could not handle YouTube as well as my iPhone, I'd be disappointed. The netbook is the thin client/dumb terminal that has been talked about for many, many years. It's sad that the hardware people succeeded beyond everyone's wildest imagination in delivering incredibly powerful computers to the masses for reasonable prices only to see the movement to relying on mainframes take hold. Face it, the Internet is a giant mainframe.
 
Any idea's of when netbook's could be coming if they are?

My family is looking for a cheap Mac laptop and we have no idea if its a good time to buy the new Unibody or if we should wait for cheaper netbooks.

It would be quite a while, I'm sure. Even if they did release one, I would not purchase the first generation version if it is to be used by your family, as they generally are more likely to have problems. I would just go for a Unibody.
 
I don't. NBs are underpowered, tiny and cramped...they only sell because of the economic depression, not because they are attractive per se.

I disagree completely. Take my mother-in-law (please!). She recently bought an HP mini-note despite the fact that she could easily afford a MB air if she wanted (earns six figures). What she wanted was something that fit in her purse so she could use it to take notes and grab email, etc while in meetings, whether on the other side of her building or another state. A netbook was perfect for that.

She now uses it in almost complete replacement for her decent desktop machine (can't recall specs, but only a couple years old at most). It's just very convenient and satisfies probably 90% + of her computing needs.

On the opposite end of the spectrum is someone like me. I work in IT, have a nice iMac already (2.4ghz aluminum model) and a netbook would be a perfect companion machine for me. It's good enough for probably 60-75% of the things I do, so can't replace my desktop, but I don't want it to. I want something I can take with me everywhere I go - home to work, on vacation, etc - tether to my cell for data when I need it, wifi when I can find it. Watch movies in the bedroom, on a plane, in the car. I have an iPod touch, and it's GREAT for getting emails, checking a website really quick, watching movies... I see a netbook as something between my iPod and my iMac.

"Web browsing" is a very vague and ranging topic. It's especially vague considering sites like Hulu and YouTube, which offer streaming video. You don't want to rely on some underpowered netbook to visit sites like this. But even sites that aren't totally video-driven are adding more video and more graphics to make the pages look better. Connection speed is one part of the speed equation, but so are the guts of the computer being used. Fast-forward 3 years, and it'll probably matter even more.

So my point, if I have one, is you don't really spend money to have the superfast computer now. You spend the money to not have a piece of crap in a year. My dad has an iMac G5, and I have a C2D MacBook Pro. They're 2 years apart, and the difference between them is night and day. But his iMac is still capable of doing almost anything, just not the absolute latest stuff (artist lessons in Garage Band) that requires a C2D processor. People who rely on these netbooks will be upgrading more often because they'll find some niche use (family videos on Facebook or something like that) that will render their computer obsolete long before people with real, actual computers have a useless paperweight.

Well, just for reference, a netbook with an Atom CPU and decent amount of RAM (1gb+) can handle Hulu and Netflix on demand. It's not a GREAT computer, but I think that it would realistically be good enough for 90% of people over the next two years without much trouble, especially if they invested in a cheap external monitor, keyboard, mouse, and maybe HDD. EDIT: I should mention that there are some people with trouble playing flash based content on netbooks with XP on them. Seems to be purely driver/codec issues. You can play 720p MPEG4 files on any of the recent netbooks without much trouble - the issue with any sort of web video playback is software (likely all coming back to Flash).

All of those those can get reused, so if you have to replace your netbook in two years, you're probably spending about $175 per year on the computer. Figure you replace the monitor, keyboard, mouse, and HDD every other cycle. That's $300 of stuff every 4 years, so $75 per year. $250 per year total. If you buy a Mac that you intend to get 5 years out of, that's a $1250 machine which is nearly the very bottom end of the Apple line.

Point being that netbooks can represent a decent investment over time compared to "real computers".
 
Tim Cook talks too much all ready !!!:mad: he is going to get screamed at by Jobs
Exactly my fear (not the screaming, the talking). You don't create an something like an iPhone, completely overtaking your competition by talking about it before it is close to ready.
 
Steve's not coming back. If Steve is only going to be gone until June or whenever then Tim would not be examining the iPhone's business model.

Maybe, Maybe Not.

I mean as COO wouldn't his job be to examine the business model regardless of the CEO?
Report back hows it's going against their original thinking about how it would play out, what opportunities are coming, which ones they are missing, which ones they should miss.

It's the Apple way of communicating Steve was a master of it. Mr Cook seems to pretty good at it. We want to believe that is the product they launch today just flat out didn't exist a week ago, and they want us to believe.

We all know it's not true, we all know there has been years of work and the factory has been punching out product for weeks that is sitting in the store ready to go on the shelves.

It's a conjuring trick, we revel in the drama of the trick, then revel in the dissection of the trick.

Mr Cook is just setting us up for the next one, he's been let loose in the toy box and is going to pull out a rabbit. The minute Steve left he was let loose to knock some thing out that Mr Jobs said we couldn't have.

Steve or No Steve the magic is stil going to happen.
 
AMEN AMEN AMEN!!! Why in the world can't people see that the problem with wider adoption is NOT the PRICE OF THE PHONE!!! They are cheaper than iPods for crying out loud. The problem is the PRICE OF THE DATA PLANS!!! Anyone could buy an iPhone right now, BUT can they afford the monthly bill??? That is a totally different question and the only thing that keeps people from buying it that I know. Even being on a different carrier is a smaller issue because almost everyone I know is willing to switch but the thing that holds them back is they have never had a smart phone and have therefore never paid that expensive of a monthly cell phone bill!

I think Apple is working on this with AT&T with tiered data plans and new models that are still iPhones (smart phones), but not so monthly bill intensive.

P.S. CookBook was by far the best comment in here and it gave me a great laugh lol :D


I couldn't agree more about the Data plan.. The only reason i do not have an iPhone is because the data plan is a complete ripoff. Paying for data, then having to pay for text..come on.. The iPhone is a nice toy, but its too expensive to become necessary.
 
Maybe, Maybe Not.

I mean as COO wouldn't his job be to examine the business model regardless of the CEO?
Report back hows it's going against their original thinking about how it would play out, what opportunities are coming, which ones they are missing, which ones they should miss.

It's the Apple way of communicating Steve was a master of it. Mr Cook seems to pretty good at it. We want to believe that is the product they launch today just flat out didn't exist a week ago, and they want us to believe.

We all know it's not true, we all know there has been years of work and the factory has been punching out product for weeks that is sitting in the store ready to go on the shelves.

It's a conjuring trick, we revel in the drama of the trick, then revel in the dissection of the trick.

Mr Cook is just setting us up for the next one, he's been let loose in the toy box and is going to pull out a rabbit. The minute Steve left he was let loose to knock some thing out that Mr Jobs said we couldn't have.

Steve or No Steve the magic is stil going to happen.

I completely agree. Well said.
 
netbooks are not nearly as crappy as some people think.
1.6 atom
1 gig ram
160 gig HD
wifi

XP is the only crappy part, but for 299 it's an affordable compliment to my imac for remote browsing and video.

I would pay up to $500 for an apple netbook.
 
I couldn't agree more about the Data plan.. The only reason i do not have an iPhone is because the data plan is a complete ripoff. Paying for data, then having to pay for text..come on.. The iPhone is a nice toy, but its too expensive to become necessary.

AMEN.

Paying for data AND texting is just plain cruel.
 
is way too overpowered for most people I know. For a lot of people, web browsing and e-mail is all they need and the computer that meets that low standard was available about 10 years ago!

Not with Flash, my 7 year old cube is hardly usable for surfing the web. Can't view YouTube or myspace pages, there is a minimum of horsepower you need to do the current basic stuff.
 
FYI, I was being semi-sarcastic.

Seriously though, if the Cook can't keep the Apples fresh, then new semi-apple seeds like Pystar are likely to sprout and blossom to fill a void.

You want to imply that these cloners will actually innovate and bring us exiting new products that run osX? :rolleyes:

Its the drama MS faces, cloners copy Apple and recently the OLPC project but fail to innovate. The best they did the last 10 years is an overpriced tablet laptop, they fail to find the exact mix of features and price to make it work. They also lack the extraordinary volume Apple can produce and sell, splintered resources, lack of R&D, fierce competition and low margins is killing the windows market.
 
See the first picture of this:

Next Apple moves will be Books and Games…
http://spidouz.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/next-apple-moves-will-be-books-and-games

I'm sure the Microsoft Origami didn't have osX on it. :)

The origami isn't a bad idea but were still waiting for a reasonably priced device with tailored software.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/umpc/default.mspx

Second generation Windows Vista UMPCs that are preloaded with Origami Experience 2.0 are scheduled to be available in 2008.

Apple, step in please. :apple:
 
Engrish prease??

Umm, I think that the reading level of our readers here is a wee bit on the low side. If you re-read the quote, "his" refers to Steve. Then another pronoun appears, "he" which according to correct grammar, also means Steve. Hi, I'm redarted! This quote is saying Steve, NOT Tim is doing these things. I belive someone else earlier has a sense of reason and pointed this out, but it obviously fell on deaf ears! Now I'm so super genius of the english language, but I do know how to match up pronouns. Come on folks!! (Oh and this means that every post after this has to take this into account before we have another millions posts about what Tim is doing, because according to the quote, he's NOT doing them!)
 
The analyst goes on to say that there were "several interesting tidbits" pointing to new iPhones

I just think it sucks that there isnt anymore info than this except teasing us by sayin "several interesting tidbits"...well, ok...so go on...what were these "tidbits" you speak of you bastard!!!




:D
 
If you re-read the quote, "his" refers to Steve. Then another pronoun appears, "he" which according to correct grammar, also means Steve. This quote is saying Steve, NOT Tim is doing these things.

I agree, that is the way it's written. But it's written poorly because the meaning is clearly opposite. Obviously it's implied that Tim Cook is the one who is "spending more time on new products"; if it meant Steve, how could Steve be taking a leave of absence?
 
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