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Tim Cook: iPhone 5c Wasn't Meant to Be an Entry-Level Phone

troop231 said:
Wasn't the best move keeping the 4S around. Yet another year before the 30 pin connector is killed.
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The adapters are cheap enough to make this a rather insignificant argument IMO. As Cook sais, having access to the ecosystem at an affordable price (specially in economically weak countries like mine) is much more important than the 30pin issue.

likemyorbs said:
Apple needs to stop selling outdated technology. They're selling the iPhone 4s and the iPad 2 which won't even be compatible with iOS 8 next year. Hell, the iPad 2 is barely compatible with iOS 7. It runs like crap.
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Well, I have the iPad2 with iOS7 (and almost full memory) and I can't really say it runs worst than iOS6 so this might vary from device/user to device/user.
 
C is a long-play in apples line. They will develop the line over a few generations. Some of you guys really do not have any idea how strategic planning and product life cycles works in a business.


If anything, margin is probably higher than the 5 for now because of developing the new design and manufacturing method depending on how apples does it's internal accounting.


You guys wanting the c to fail are ridiculous. It's a great phone, and the 5s isn't particularly "premium" made out it aluminum, one of the cheapest and weakest materials out there.


Apples marketing has moved beyond making one feel inadequate for not having the latest iProduct, but to the point where one must make others feel inadequate for not having the latest.


I spent a week with the 5s. Nice phone. Features were nominal improvement over the 5c in a long term view, but it felt like a cheap toy and not all the features were what they were cracked up to be. 5c is simply a more enjoyable phone to use.

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Kurotenshi said:
The adapters are cheap enough to make this a rather insignificant argument IMO. As Cook sais, having access to the ecosystem at an affordable price (specially in economically weak countries like mine) is much more important than the 30pin issue.


Well, I have the iPad2 with iOS7 (and almost full memory) and I can't really say it runs worst than iOS6 so this might vary from device/user to device/user.
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Yup. Third party will supply cables to the developing world for $3 each. I'm talking cheap, deal extreme.com quality.
 
Kurotenshi said:
The adapters are cheap enough to make this a rather insignificant argument IMO. As Cook sais, having access to the ecosystem at an affordable price (specially in economically weak countries like mine) is much more important than the 30pin issue.


Well, I have the iPad2 with iOS7 (and almost full memory) and I can't really say it runs worst than iOS6 so this might vary from device/user to device/user.
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Yup. Third party will supply cables to the developing world for $3 each. I'm talking cheap, deal extreme.com quality.
 
southernpaws said:
Are you asking for a free phone without any contract?
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Please show me where I asked for that. I was saying that Tim was lying in saying the phone is free in the US. No caveat at all, just a straight on lie. It is not free, you have to tie yourself to an onerous contract. It's far from free. But since Tim said it, you MUST fight tooth and nail to defend it.
 
spicynujac said:
They are not equivalent services. If they were then ATT/Verizon/etc would have no customers at those prices. I'm just clarifying that the statement that a contract iphone is CHEAPER is absolutely FALSE. An iphone on a contract might provide better range, better warranty, better customer service (although JD Power surveys prove the opposite) but it is definitely not cheaper.
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Alright, cheaper with the same service. That's what I meant.
 
Kurotenshi said:
The adapters are cheap enough to make this a rather insignificant argument IMO. As Cook sais, having access to the ecosystem at an affordable price (specially in economically weak countries like mine) is much more important than the 30pin issue.
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I wouldn't call an 8GB $450+tax unlocked phone exactly "cheap".

Count Blah said:
Please show me where I asked for that. I was saying that Tim was lying in saying the phone is free in the US. No caveat at all, just a straight on lie. It is not free, you have to tie yourself to an onerous contract. It's far from free. But since Tim said it, you MUST fight tooth and nail to defend it.
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Let me add my voice to your concern. Marketing iPhones as "starting from $99" is "engañosa" advertising (feel free to provide proper translation). At $99, you get a 3-year old locked phone (basically, new old stock) tied to a 2 or 3-year onerous contract you can't even get a factory unlock for (graciously un-provided by oligopolistic carriers and unconcerned Apple)
 
Count Blah said:
Please show me where I asked for that. I was saying that Tim was lying in saying the phone is free in the US. No caveat at all, just a straight on lie. It is not free, you have to tie yourself to an onerous contract. It's far from free. But since Tim said it, you MUST fight tooth and nail to defend it.
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I'm not fighting tooth and nail to defend it.

I'm just pointing out that it's belligerently ignorant to nitpick at something so commonly understood. Everybody knows that when talking about phones, free means free on contract. There is no such thing as a free phone.

The only thing more annoying than saying free phone would be saying "free-phone-with-2-year-contract" every time.

Seriously. Are you just looking for something to complain about?

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Oletros said:
No, he is saying that the 4S it is not free
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Yes. Yes I gathered that much.

And I was trying to point out the absurdity of his gripe with subtlety.
 
southernpaws said:
Everybody knows that when talking about phones, free means free on contract. There is no such thing as a free phone.

The only thing more annoying than saying free phone would be saying "free-phone-with-2-year-contract" every time.
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I don't "know" this meaning. I have to force myself to mentally correct sentence to "Free with 3-year, $80/monthly minimum contract".

It is as incorrect as stating "product offered" in any advertisement. Offered means free.

As incorrect as stating an airline ticket without airport taxes. No, you can't do NYC-London with a $300 round-trip ticket.

As incorrect as stating a given product price without taxes. We are individuals, not companies, so can't get a refund for sales tax.
 
likemyorbs said:
Apple needs to stop selling outdated technology. They're selling the iPhone 4s and the iPad 2 which won't even be compatible with iOS 8 next year. Hell, the iPad 2 is barely compatible with iOS 7. It runs like crap.
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Where do you think Apple makes the most of their money? Those iPad 2's have to be around 80% profit at this point!
 
Cubytus said:
I don't "know" this meaning. I have to force myself to mentally correct sentence to "Free with 3-year, $80/monthly minimum contract".

It is as incorrect as stating "product offered" in any advertisement. Offered means free.

As incorrect as stating an airline ticket without airport taxes. No, you can't do NYC-London with a $300 round-trip ticket.

As incorrect as stating a given product price without taxes. We are individuals, not companies, so can't get a refund for sales tax.
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You're bending a lot of terms to fit your arguments.

If you don't know something that is common knowledge, you shouldn't expect to be catered to. It is rare, if not nonexistent, to find a telecommunications company offering a free phone with no contract; if there was, then your "confusion" would be justified. I think there is a very good chance that you *do* know that anytime anybody talks about a free phone it is always free on contract; you simply choose to complain about something that is common. The term is curmudgeon.

None of those examples are incorrect. Offer does not imply free. Rarely are prices quoted for products include tax unless specifically stated. And yes, if you return a product for a refund, the sales tax is refunded as well.
 
southernpaws said:
You're bending a lot of terms to fit your arguments.

If you don't know something that is common knowledge, you shouldn't expect to be catered to. It is rare, if not nonexistent, to find a telecommunications company offering a free phone with no contract; if there was, then your "confusion" would be justified. I think there is a very good chance that you *do* know that anytime anybody talks about a free phone it is always free on contract; you simply choose to complain about something that is common. The term is curmudgeon.

None of those examples are incorrect. Offer does not imply free. Rarely are prices quoted for products include tax unless specifically stated. And yes, if you return a product for a refund, the sales tax is refunded as well.
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It is cultural knowledge, not common knowledge. Now, I am not saying "free" is to be understood "without contract". There is no such thing as a free iPhone, even on contract, here. But when the price is reasonably high, one expect the phone to be for exactly that price+tax, with only a base, 1-year contract with no minimum (considering we pay some of the highest rates in the world anyway). Not a 3-year long chain with heavy fines if you want to leave and a minimum rate to boot.

Well in English offered is to make available for sale, but in my language only a gift is offered, no payment is expected in return. False friends, we love them. And yes, taxes (especially airport taxes) should always be included in the price. Alas, so far only plane tickets are now required by law to include airport taxes in them. I was talking about tax refund when you buy a product for company usage.
 
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