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Before we get boneheaded posts stating that taxes are unconstitutional, the US Constitution states the following about taxes:

Article 1, Section 8:

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Amendment 16:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Those of us who can afford to pay taxes and keep this country running need to pay taxes so that the United States of America can be a better place for us all.
 
Final lesson of the day - these tax holidays are about US earnings.

The maximum U.S. corporate income tax rates range from 35% to 39%, although most large corporations have a lower effective tax rate. One strategy used by multinational U.S. corporations is to shift taxable income from the U.S. to a related organization in a country with a low corporate income tax rate or no income tax at all. The U.S. income tax does not apply because income of a foreign corporation is not taxed until repatriated to the U.S. There are legitimate ways to reduce taxes by using offshore companies in tax havens. There are also improper techniques that result, either inadvertently or intentionally, in the underpayment of U.S. income taxes.

Tax planning using tax havens usually involves a U.S. corporation and one or more offshore entities. The connection between the U.S. corporation and foreign company may be clearly evident or undisclosed. According to a 2008 study by the GAO, 83 of the 100 largest publicly traded corporations in 2007 had subsidiaries in locations considered to be tax havens or financial privacy jurisdictions. On the other hand, when tax evasion is the objective, ownership or control of a foreign subsidiary may be concealed.

Caution: The ownership of a foreign subsidiary does not in itself indicate that a U.S. corporation is underpaying its income taxes. There are legitimate business purposes for conducting business through foreign subsidiaries, including: asset protection, cost reduction, and convenience in conducting worldwide business in a global economy.

With regard to transferring income from the U.S. to an offshore company, the goal is getting funds out of the U.S. before they are taxed. The following are examples of strategies used by U.S. corporations to shift taxable income offshore:

Earnings stripping
Transactions with related parties
Cost sharing arrangements
Complex corporate structures
Intellectual property transfers
Employee leasing
Captive insurance companies
Dual capacity taxpayers
Discounting receivables to unrelated foreign business entities
Circumvention of Qualified Intermediary System
FBAR and other reporting requirements

Again people, this is about earnings here in the United States! A tax holiday will hurt you directly as it kills any long term incentive to reinvest funds here in America.
 
I don't quite understand this tax holiday and re-investment thing (in economy, share-buy back, dividends, exapansion/acquisitions, or whatever)...

If they are not doing anything with the existing $28B (34%) that's on-shore, what difference does it make if they are taxed (or not) for re-patriating overseas reserves?

Doesn't it really matter only only if you plan to do something (something BIG) where leveraging the existing 34% on-shore isn't enough, that requires access to the additional overseas money (66%)?

In otherwords, the tax-holiday/re-investment concept only applies if you are cash-starved on-shore and need access to off-shore reserves, doesn't it?




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Tax the hell out of everything being imported from China, and every other company that doesn't have the same labor standards as every other western civilized country.

That would be a good incentive ti move production back to the US.

Apple is one of the worst companies when it comes to using sweatshop, real crappy working condition shops to build their stuff.
 
Well ... I think Apple ought to take 1/2 of that cash reserve,


and divide it up as a "bonus one time dividend" to the stockholders as of the market close today. :D :cool: ;) :)
 
2) I've heard at least one proposal that sounds fair. Allow corporations to bring the money back to the US tax-free, so long as the money is spent on hiring American workers, buying American goods, etc. The government needs revenue (doesn't it always), but more than anything right now the US needs jobs and sales!

I'd agree with this wholeheartedly.

The reality is that even if the money were to be repatriated tax free, the government would see revenue as a result--in addition to the political benefits of new jobs.

Some companies don't really have anything to invest in in the US. Apple does, that money could be spent on a lot of things, even though manufacturing is unlikely. We would most likely see a faster rollout of new retail stores in the US. Apple's sales numbers prove that consumers are hungry for their products, and while their retail operation is very profitable, it doesn't have a huge footprint. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that as Apple's retail footprint expands, so do the company's sales.

There are dozens of companies going out of business right now with large amounts of real estate available for retail stores. Who's to say Apple wouldn't snatch one up and renovate existing spaces? The dilemma for Apple (or any company considering such a move) is that the money they would use for that kind of purchase would need to be repatriated and taxed at 35%, making the purchase price significantly higher than it actually is.

I've read some people saying that retail jobs aren't good jobs or don't pay a living wage, inferring that it wouldn't be a good enough reason to let them off the hook on their taxes.

I'm pretty sure that the $10-$11 per hour that a retail associate makes at an Apple store would be pretty welcome for the millions of people in this country who currently make $0 per hour. And there's the "halo" effect...

Let's say (hypothetically) Apple builds 50 new stores. They need to hire American construction companies to build them. Pay American ad agencies and advertising outlets to advertise them. Pay American companies rent on the property and pay American companies for the utilities and supplies that are used day to day.

They'll also pay property taxes and sales taxes on the things they buy. Their new employees will pay income taxes on the money they earn--and no longer receive money from the government for unemployment and other associated benefits. The employees of the companies contracted to do the builds will pay income taxes as well. Plus, sales taxes will be collected on the millions of dollars worth of goods they sell in these new stores.

On top of all that, all of those newly employed people will have money to spend that they didn't before. That money goes into other local (and non-local) businesses where the halo effect starts all over again.

And here's one other thing to consider, and I realize that some people don't understand this but it's a simple truth...businesses don't pay taxes. Ever. On Anything. Whatever they pay to the government gets passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices up to the point where those prices are unsustainable. Then it gets passed on to employees in the form of lower pay, reduced benefits or by being made to do more work for the same pay when the company doesn't hire new employees.

Anyone who owns a business of any size understands this. It's just easier to get people to accept new taxes when they're being paid in by "evil corporations" than it is to ask individuals to foot the bill. The average person is just too short sighted to see that they are in fact still going to.
 
Why give a tax holiday to bring the money back 'home'? Any income earned by a USA based corporation should be taxed at the effective rate based on the company's income.

Why?? :confused:

If it weren't for the US Military industrial complex, and it's resulting U.S. Global Hegemony, Apple (or most other US based corporations that do business outside of the USA) wouldn't have the opportunity to trade in or with other countries.

There is a cost to freedom people, and that cost is extracted through taxation.

Do you think all this global supremecy stuff comes for free :confused:
 
Check your facts HyperX13

Exactly. 35% corporate tax rate is the highest in the world. Lower that and see jobs coming back (jobs as in work not jobs as in Steve)

Please support your statement with which companies in the United States currently pay a 35% tax rate. Second, please compare the effective rate with other G8 industrialized nations. You might be surprised.

I'm not pro-tax, I'm just anti-ignorance.
 
Why give a tax holiday to bring the money back 'home'? Any income earned by a USA based corporation should be taxed at the effective rate based on the company's income.

Why?? :confused:

If it weren't for the US Military industrial complex and it's resulting U.S. Global Hegemony Apple (or most other US based corporations) wouldn't have the opportunity to trade in or with other countries.

There is a cost to freedom people, and that cost is extracted through taxation.

Do you think all this global supremecy stuff comes for free :confused:

Some military pay is tax exempt when stationed overseas.
Civilian income is also tax exempt when working overseas.
 
What a joke Apple are and half the posters here.
I pay taxes...so why not these fat cats. If you really think if it comes back here it will get invested in the USA....you must be on crack!!!
They wil pay themselves a huge amount and the rest will go to foreign concerns...read China.
Amazing how companies like Apple want to use our roads, police force etc etc but sure don't like paying their fair share.
But hey...who cares as long as their stock price keeps climbing eh :p
Let them (us) eat cake!!!!!!
 
People like to paint Walmart as a big bad company.

Apple is much worse.
Petsmart employs about the same number of people in America,that Apple does..
In the meantime almost half a million people work at Foxconn building only Apple devices.

Apple s a highly un-patriotic company.
 
They shouldn't have to pay US taxes for money they made else somewhere else and have already paid taxes on in the country of the sale.

Let them bring the money home, tax free, and let them spend it here!

Just put it in a big box and mark it as a "gift"... :)

I can also help out, my address is...
 
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Apple pays their fair share every payroll. They keep tens of thousands of employees in this country even while companies like IBM outsource most of their jobs. Why should Apple pay more tax? So the government can give the money to another Solyndra or two?
 
Apple is part of the reason I can't find a job after graduating college in May. I studied performing arts with a 3.5 GPA!!

How many of you graduated with that high GPA?
 
Why give a tax holiday to bring the money back 'home'? Any income earned by a USA based corporation should be taxed at the effective rate based on the company's income.

Why?? :confused:

If it weren't for the US Military industrial complex, and it's resulting U.S. Global Hegemony, Apple (or most other US based corporations that do business outside of the USA) wouldn't have the opportunity to trade in or with other countries.

There is a cost to freedom people, and that cost is extracted through taxation.

Do you think all this global supremecy stuff comes for free :confused:

typical american ignorance
 
Would be nice if Apple, oh, um, reinstate their charitable gift programs. Sheeez...talk about being cheap. Apple, seemingly, doesn't give a penny to charity. How hard would it be to give a million bucks a year (given their huge cash reserve) to something like Cancer research or a few childrens' hospitals, or whatever...and ALSO have some kind of matching program (like 99% of other companies larger than 1000 employees) that allows employees to donate money to a worthy cause and Apple will match it, say, up to $200.

Folks will surely chime in about "they don't HAVE to do anything"...and they are right...but that's awfully selfish of Apple. Look at the other Fortune 500 companies and I would bet Apple is the only one with 0 charitable causes. Apple's policy (and I believe it's been like this since 1997 when Jobs came back) is something that a small 25-employee company would do simply because they don't have the cash to give over a million bucks a year away.
 
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh Apple sometimes I hate you!!!!!! This is kinda messed up!!!!!! So investors have been angry bugging Apple about dividends!!!! So what does Apple do? Says they can't because the USA will tax them!!!! How classy of them............:rolleyes:
 
re original article $81.6 billion

81.6 billion served - reminds me of the old school mcdonalds signs that ticked off the billions of burgers served over time

i'm ok if aapl tops 100 billion cash

dont do something foolish as a stock buyback or dividend

just split the stock 5 to 1

would be cool if a swiss vault held aapl logo gold bars in a large pile
 
so they benefit from cheaper labor overseas, and want to bring the profits home for free? I can see why that's a problem. I wonder if manufacturing products in the us and paying higher initial taxes and labor would actually be less than the taxation they are facing now?

this!!
 
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