Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
As per the percentage? to the layman 30 seems high doesn't it... but what the hell do we know how much it costs to run and maintain?? Isn't that 30% also pretty standard from Google and other similar services?
Also, wasn't / isn't the percentage on other app stores (smart phone & game console) similar to 30%? I believe I saw someone else, maybe Google, lower their cut to 15% after Apple dropped their out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mjs916
The ones who lies, needs to practice, to not get caught lying.
Hey Tim, this is not a Keynote btw. no way to impress with rhetoric,too.
Then I suppose everyone involved in this case, or everyone who ever takes the stand anywhere for any case for that matter, is to be deemed a liar.

Witnesses undergoing trial prep is pretty much the rule, rather than the exception.

If you ever find yourself part of a case and your lawyer doesn’t prep you, you better hope they have a good refund policy.
 
any why shouldn't they?

Its a 'gravy train' that Apple created from scratch... and maintains and runs 24/7 since.

Thats the deal. You want to use the service to sell your app to an audience of literally billions worldwide? On a platform that they provided..? a commission seems totally reasonable to me.

As per the percentage? to the layman 30 seems high doesn't it... but what the hell do we know how much it costs to run and maintain?? Isn't that 30% also pretty standard from Google and other similar services?
30% appears to be a common percentage in terms of fees.
 
The ones who lies, needs to practice, to not get caught lying.
Hey Tim, this is not a Keynote btw. no way to impress with rhetoric,too.
I don't think you understand how the law works. A single carelessly worded answer may cause unintended damage, whether you are speaking the truth or not.
 
I still can’t believe this has gone so far

IT IS APPLES OWN PLATFORM

They built and designed their product from the ground up from hardware to software to ecosystem.

30% could be too high a cut. But that’s not what this is about. Apple have every right to charge however much they want for their services. Same as anything else.

Developers have happily been reaping the rewards of Apple’s system for the past few decades.

Epic’s games can be found on every gaming platform on the planet. This is not about a monopoly. There is choice.

Epic are also not going to burn millions to “de-inflate” prices to give back money to their customers.

It’s a weak cash grab that shouldn’t have got this far.
 
oh, and i'm pretty sure Adobe and MS didn't willingly put their stuff on MAS at 30%. willing to bet my left nut they get 15% if not lower.
Is it your testimony that you value your right testicle more than your left one?
 
  • Haha
Reactions: mjs916
my sleep-deprived eyes glanced over “Tim cool practicing for hours” and “epic games” in the headline and I saw this old guy furiously honing his fortnite skills on the big-screen, cheetos bags and mountain dew bottles strewn about.

yeah, morning comes too early around here
 
“We’ve been blown away with how popular our App Store has been. 100% of our users download 100% of their wonderful and creative apps from the App Store. And 100% of the in-app purchases have been through our system. We can’t wait to see what you come up with.”
 
oh, they can set whatever the price they want. i just want the public to know whether that price is reasonable or not (especially since locking device to their store only by definition does not allow for any competition on that price)

The market determines what's reasonable.

If you don't think the price is reasonable, don't purchase it. If, say, a hundred million people agree and do the same, then the market has spoken.

If that 100 million people decide the price is reasonable and make a purchase, then the market has similarly spoken.
 
I still dont get, that this is still going on. It is the same situation like this. I have small shop in a Shoppil Mall Center where a lot of other shops are, im paying 30% of my earn to the Shoping mall owner, i dont have to pay for anything else, like rent, advertising, electricity, or a security engineer, or a network adminisrtator, i can focus on one thing only that that is my product(s). On top of that for clouple of months or a year now if i earn less that $1 million in a year i pay just 15% of my earn. Ok this are the facts.

Now im unsatisfied with this conditions a want to have all of that above ( like rent, advertising, electricity, or a security engineer, or a network adminisrtator, ) a a lot of more also the platfrom which im developing my app for free, and a dont want to pay anything to the landlord of the shopping mall so instead that the land lodt will throw me out i will sue him that he is a monopy and i cand pay some other landlord which has nothing to do wit the shopping mall that im in ....

Im sorry but are the Judges in America total IDIOTS or what.

Could users on Xbox pay outside of the Plattform ... NO, could users on Sony pay oustside of the Plattform ... NO, could users on Nitendo pay outside of the Plattfrom ... NOOO, could Google (Android) user pay outside of the Plattfrom probably asno NOOOO .... what the heck, why is Apple a Monopoly Hehe and why did Apple get sued ... wenn i know for sure, because if epic would sue someone of theese oether ... it just get unnnoticed whi case about some non interesant battle betweeen gamers, but when you have Apple somwhere it gent the first page on every magazine .... thats why a this is **** not what they want or a unfair commision from apple or someone else.
Mac users can download from outside the App Store. Why can’t iOS?
 
  • Like
Reactions: rjp1
Cook is expected to defend the App Store by touting its economic success, and the entirely new industry it has created.
Fine, but that won’t do it. He needs to point out that Apple’s commish is on parity with other marketplaces; that Apple enables the developer community, particularly small developers, rather than harms it; and most importantly that Apple helps consumers by screening apps and setting participation rules for their store. Touting their economic success is a dead end for Apple in this scenario, and probably harmful.

imo theres only one question worth asking and not sure if they can (or want to) disclose it: what profit margin app store operates on. if its say 30-40% - all good. if ifs like 90% (and i'm pretty sure its close to that number) then 30% rev cut is nothing more than a cash grab on developers that have no other option to sell their app/services.

oh, and i'm pretty sure Adobe and MS didn't willingly put their stuff on MAS at 30%. willing to bet my left nut they get 15% if not lower.
In other words, you really have no idea about any of these numbers. As anyone with forum experience knows, giveaway phrases such as “like 90%,” “say 30-40%,” “pretty sure it's close to that,” and “if not lower” are all tip offs. And betting either nut won’t give you this knowledge.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: mjs916
Prosecution: “We’d like to call Tim Cook to the stand.”

Tim Cook: “Good morning! Good morning!! I’ve got a GREAT explanation for why the App Store takes a 30% cut.

We’ve prepared a special testimony we think you’re going to love… and I’d like to show it to you… right now.”

*courtroom fades to black*
 
Should be interesting to see him not know the questions ahead of time. Most of his interviews are on the same stuff, privacy etc. I'm more interested in seeing him answer questions than I am about the trial itself.

And - as a person who has done a bit of public speaking - I don't blame him for going over it and getting prepared ahead of time. Nothing shady about that.
 
Ugh it's so annoying how Apple is making Tim spend so much time on a frivolous task like this. His time is better spent on doing far more valuable things, like inventing new technologies that we can all enjoy. Besides, he doesn't need to prepare; he's Tim! He's got it. All he has to do is walk in there say "Yeah, so I run an anti-competitive, monopolistic App Store. Who cares? People love throwing money at me. Sue me." *Drops mic* and walks out. Nuff said. Nothing he says or do will change anything lol 😂
 
Good luck Tim. I'm expecting a passionate, albeit somewhat insincere, plea to protect Apple's App Store gravy train. There's a lot on the line here!

I still find it funny how some call this Apple's gravy train - when clearly their highest profits still come from products, not services.

I'm hoping that his testimony doesn't come across as a spoken ad for The App Store (like we've seen with Zuckerberg in congress inquisitions). Wouldn't it be wild of Tim does NOT defend The App Store vs actually stating why it exists, with various examples for it's need and and pricing model, whilst STILL having Apple win this?!
 
  • Like
Reactions: mjs916
Good luck Tim. I'm expecting a passionate, albeit somewhat insincere, plea to protect Apple's App Store gravy train. There's a lot on the line here!
Good point. And since there is a lot on the line, Tim should give the testimony, sincere or insincere, that he feels needs to be given, and to heck with MacRumors comments on the testimony.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Reason077
In other words, you really have no idea about any of these numbers. As anyone with forum experience knows, giveaway phrases such as “like 90%,” “say 30-40%,” “pretty sure it's close to that,” and “if not lower” are all tip offs. And betting either nut won’t give you this knowledge.
Nobody outside of Apple has any idea about those numbers, which is exactly my point. All i'm saying, if this is in fact gigantic cash grab on developers then i'd like to know about that.

iPhone is successful in part because of the App Store. they need devs to sell those devices. seems unfair it they charge them excessively just to make even more on iPhone sales.
 
Ugh it's so annoying how Apple is making Tim spend so much time on a frivolous task like this. His time is better spent on doing far more valuable things, like inventing new technologies that we can all enjoy. Besides, he doesn't need to prepare; he's Tim! He's got it. All he has to do is walk in there say "Yeah, so I run an anti-competitive, monopolistic App Store. Who cares? People love throwing money at me. Sue me." *Drops mic* and walks out. Nuff said. Nothing he says or do will change anything lol 😂
It's probably not so far from the truth, except the court will probably find Apple is not involved in any monopoly or anti-competition.
 
Nobody outside of Apple has any idea about those numbers, which is exactly my point. All i'm saying, if this is in fact gigantic cash grab on developers then i'd like to know about that.

iPhone is successful in part because of the App Store. they need devs to sell those devices. seems unfair it they charge them excessively just to make even more on iPhone sales.
Being an IOS developer is opt-in. Nobody is forcing a dev to opt in. But once they do and set a price, devs get a complete management platform, app discovery, management, testing, distribution and access to 1 billion devices. 30% in that context seems worth it and also fair. As an ex-dev, the fee was worth to me. And even if it is a cash grab, there is no law (at least not up until now) prohibiting Apple (google or anyone else) from charging that fee.

Of course, if you are the type to try and sabotage the app store and your relationship with Apple, one would hope you get what you deserve. But that remains to be seen.
 
Looking forward to a good exchange. I hope the questions are tough and to the point.
Thank god this is a trial with (mostly) competent prosecutors and not a senate hearing with tech-illiterate senators asking mind-boggling and irrelevant questions like the Zuckerberg / Facebook hearing.

At least it has Epic and co. on the other side that try to „call out ********“ and know a thing or two about the subject at hand (whether their views are justified or not, at least there‘s no „do you access the data files of users“ tier questions by people who couldn‘t even turn on a computer without guidance).
 
  • Haha
Reactions: arlomedia
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.