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If corporations play a political role in the USA (like boycotting events because of racism, etc.), why couldn't they consider doing the same in other places?

I know it's not an easy solution, and it's also a collective action problem (if one company pulls of from China, won't make a huge difference). But Apple could be part of the momentum, for instance some clothing companies are doing some pressure currently because of the ways Uyghurs are going through a genocide at the moment (among other numerous human rights accross the country).
They could and I am sure they will in spots, but not at the detriment of their business.
 
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Thank you Apple for your leadership.

I hope you have the strength to standup to the big companies and governement forces who are going to test your resolve. I bet you will.
 
Apple doesn’t pretend to be a “do as I say and not as I do company”. False equivalencies don’t help.

It sure seems like they are... if not they would have toned down their press releases to be more in line with the deference they give to overseas actors going against universal fundamental values, all under the shield of "local laws".
 
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Your linked article was from 2018. Since that time Apple has been moving production and jobs out of China to India and Vietnam. I’m not going to pretend that Apple didn’t turn an intentional blind eye to what is still going on in China but I also don’t expect any country or business to cut off their nose to spite their face. Lots of companies world wide are doing business with China despite officially condemning their civil rights, religious, and minority suppression, including many European car manufacturers and Tesla. If it’s the same in a year then Apple can’t claim ignorance or that they haven’t had time. Neither can any other company.

It would be a good start if Apple put out such a press release. At least it would begin to walk their big talk....
 
All rights must be granted by order of power. We must believe they are fundamental in order to procure and protect them.
Yeah, a "right" is something that *ought* to be guaranteed. Not something that necessarily is by virtue of being alive. This is understood. We wouldn't have to fight for rights if they were things we all had no matter what.
I guess I'm just old fashioned thinking that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights... you know... that thing. True that Governments are instituted among Men to secure these rights, but they can neither grant these unalienable rights, nor take them away.

I any case, I just wish that Tim Apple would apply his grand statements consistently. Saying that they don't have influence in China is a copout.
 
Of course it could be.

We believe privacy is a fundamental human right
+Chinese people don't have good privacy
=Chinese lacks a fundamental human right but are stille fully human

You can still believe in a right and recognise that billions of people don't have that right.
You are correct, and I have been a bit hyperbolic. Still, I just wish that there was a smidge of pressure directed towards an oppressive communist regime every once in a while. Simply handing over the Chinese users' iCloud data to this antithesis of privacy tells me they don't really believe it, or at least that their courage ends at a statement.
 
It sure seems like they are... if not they would have toned down their press releases to be more in line with the deference they give to overseas actors going against universal fundamental values, all under the shield of "local laws".

Yet they act like they are a moral guide. At least in the USA. In China they bow to the real Apple ceo
I don't understand why certain forum topics tend to trigger the cognitive dissonance when it comes to Apple, especially when:
1. China makes 90% of the worlds' products and I don't see MR posters railing against other manufacturers whose products many of us consume...
2. This is about ios 14.5 and Tim Cooks observations. Maybe another thread should be started in another forum on this topic
 
I am assuming you feel Apple should pull all business from China?
Yes. Otherwise Tim is a hypocrite. If privacy was such a “fundamental human right” Apple wouldn’t be making business there because it goes against its company values.
 
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I don't understand why certain forum topics tend to trigger the cognitive dissonance when it comes to Apple, especially when:
1. China makes 90% of the worlds' products and I don't see MR posters railing against other manufacturers whose products many of us consume...
2. This is about ios 14.5 and Tim Cooks observations. Maybe another thread should be started in another forum on this topic

I guess a big factor is that this is a Mac (i.e. Apple) forum and the article here referenced Apple. Maybe forums focused on other companies are having discussions on what those companies are doing or not doing.

I don't understand why people are so touchy about Apple being called out for real (or perceived) hypocrisy. It's almost like they attach their psyche to Apple being anointed in fluffy feel good statements, but not really putting their words to action.
 
Yes. Otherwise Tim is a hypocrite. If privacy was such a “fundamental human right” Apple wouldn’t be making business there because it goes against its company values.
It still amazes me that people think Apple is anything else but a business. I applaud them taking this approach on privacy, but I wouldn't expect them to do anything that is detrimental to their bottom line.
 
I don't understand why certain forum topics tend to trigger the cognitive dissonance when it comes to Apple, especially when:
1. China makes 90% of the worlds' products and I don't see MR posters railing against other manufacturers whose products many of us consume...
2. This is about ios 14.5 and Tim Cooks observations. Maybe another thread should be started in another forum on this topic
We don’t see most other companies rallying against social injustices but ignoring their own dirty laundry.
 
It still amazes me that people think Apple is anything else but a business. I applaud them taking this approach on privacy, but I wouldn't expect them to do anything that is detrimental to their bottom line.

That is why I wonder why Apple is doing this. It can't be just from their warm and fuzzy cockles ...
 
It still amazes me that people think Apple is anything else but a business. I applaud them taking this approach on privacy, but I wouldn't expect them to do anything that is detrimental to their bottom line.
Exactly my point. All of that “we care about privacy” “privacy is our #1 priority” “privacy is a fundamental human right” is just bs and nothing but lies. All Apple cares about is money, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but why lie then?
 
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I guess a big factor is that this is a Mac (i.e. Apple) forum and the article here referenced Apple. Maybe forums focused on other companies are having discussions on what those companies are doing or not doing.

I don't understand why people are so touchy about Apple being called out for real (or perceived) hypocrisy. It's almost like they attach their psyche to Apple being anointed in fluffy feel good statements, but not really putting their words to action.
If people weren't touchy, then in a thread about app transparency, there wouldn't be a connect the dots to false equivalencies dealing with Apples' manufacturing partners in China.

With ios 14.5 Apple has again upset the applecart.
 
Exactly my point. All of that “we care about privacy” “privacy is our #1 priority” “privacy is a fundamental human right” is just bs and nothing but lies. All Apple cares about is money, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but why lie then?
And yet Apple has given away hundreds of millions if not billions toward various efforts, as well as time and materials. So if Apple was so concerned about the bottom line, I would expect them to be tight fisted and not give away a dime.

But the old narrative really isn't true. For me I expect companies to go about their business and provide a service, I cannot alone provide, but it's important they also answer to customers, shareholders and the board.
 
If people weren't touchy, then in a thread about app transparency, there wouldn't be a connect the dots to false equivalencies dealing with Apples' manufacturing partners in China.

With ios 14.5 Apple has again upset the applecart.

I think its because people don't want to let Apple (and its boosters) to pick and choose when to paint themselves in glory and then hide their dirty laundry when its not convenient. Anyone talking about "principles" are expected to live by them - everywhere, all the time.
 
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That is why I wonder why Apple is doing this. It can't be just from their warm and fuzzy cockles ...
I think they can take this approach, as it will be looked at as beneficial by their users, while at the same time acknowledging that they have no control over laws of other countries. You can call it hypocritical, but I just call it business. They aren't the world police.
 
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Exactly my point. All of that “we care about privacy” “privacy is our #1 priority” “privacy is a fundamental human right” is just bs and nothing but lies. All Apple cares about is money, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but why lie then?
I don't see it as lying, I see it as working within the limitations of their business.
 
We don’t see most other companies rallying against social injustices but ignoring their own dirty laundry.
So basically all companies are hypocritical, because ignoring or not commenting doesn't make it right and not hypocritical. Kudos to Apple for having the guts to do what they think is right.
 
I think its because people don't want to let Apple (and its boosters) to pick and choose when to paint themselves in glory and then hide their dirty laundry when its not convenient. Anyone talking about "principles" are expected to live by them - everywhere, all the time.
There's that general blanket statement issue again that's been oh so troublesome.

I know some people label this as hypocrisy, some people don't. I'm glad Apple has the guts to do what it needs to do. You are welcome to your opinion, and I'm not trying to change it. I'm issuing my view on this, which is a reality check that Apple can operate a business and follow local laws.

And as I said above, this is a thread about app transparency that is morphed into something else, because somehow far-reaching changes that Apple influences, tends to get all sorts of (off-the-wall) comments flying.
 
There's that general blanket statement issue again that's been oh so troublesome.

I know some people label this as hypocrisy, some people don't. I'm glad Apple has the guts to do what it needs to do. You are welcome to your opinion, and I'm not trying to change it. I'm issuing my view on this, which is a reality check that Apple can operate a business and follow local laws.

And as I said above, this is a thread about app transparency that is morphed into something else, because somehow far-reaching changes that Apple influences, tends to get all sorts of comments flying.

That is the consequence of pompous talk. Apple does it, and consequently they get to hear about how they fail to live up to it too. If they had just kept their mouth proportional to their real-world actions, no one would be talking about all of this. That lack of guts to live by what they say, is what causes all the hubbub.
 
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