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For goodness sake, I wish everyone would either stop deifying or villianizing Tim Cook. He doesn’t own the damn company, the street does. He could be doing some things better.. but as long as shareholders get their pound of flesh he’s not going anywhere. This is not the days of Steve Jobs.
 
What is the releavince of where bestbuy gets their games from?
The accusation is that Apple is anti-competitive by over charging by being the only seller of Apps is it not? And the counter argument, as I understand from you, is that retail physical copies provide consumers an alternate “store” to buy their games from giving ‘choice’ and a means for consumers and producers to escape high prices. If not, please correct me.

I never said having a monopoly is illegal. It's all the anti competitive rules apple has as well. Apple constantly changes the rules to disadvantage competitors
Example, please? If you’re talking about something like Apple rescinding approvals for the parental monitoring / control programs using MDM profiles or functionality - I don’t see the problem. I mean, yes I get that it’s disruptive to the business. But Apple gets to protect it’s market and abuses in collecting data on users. They do get to say MDM can only be used in a business setting or environment and if it an app that will be used in a home setting or by children you can’t do that, or you have to use an alternate method or a new API we will create for you.

That said, again, why is any business wasting time in the iOS market? Android dominates with 80% of the market - you have far less restrictions - and can sell on 3rd party app stores, or directly to the user. What is it about all these advantages that makes iOS programing even remotely viable. Free market - just leave Apple to suffer the loss. Let the iOS users realize the limitations if their device and the benefits of Android. Isn’t that what free market is about? Developers have the freedom to choose to support the mobile devices that are best for them.

Different rules for apple vs everyone else (apple sends iOS notifications to promote apps but 3rd party devs can't), can't have links to web site showing how to sign up (forcing devs to use apples payment method of IAP).
How is this different from Sony or Microsoft having the same rules. Don’t Microsoft even paywall subscription services behind their own Xbox live service?
 
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He is making amazing products that are defective. Butterfly Keyboard). The iMac Pro and the new Mac Pro are great examples of his amazing products. If they are so amazing, why go back to essentially what the should have done in the first place, listen to what the people actually buying the "Amazing Products" really want.
A few defects are to be expected.
 
A few defects are to be expected.
Agreed but look how long it took them to reverse decision and go back to pretty much what they should have done in the first place... When there is a defect, you fix it, you don't continue with the same design that is faulty. (Mac Pro which At least they realized, and the butterfly keyboard which they haven't)
 
And apple has 100% of the current iOS app stores market. No other company runs an iOS app store.
They do not have a monopoly on apps, just ones that run on their platform. Seems fine to me. The guy who sells shoes down the street is the only guy who can sell shoes in his store. You could say that's a monopoly, but that'd be silly, no? There are other places you can get apps (Android), just as there are other places you can get shoes.
 
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Aside from you being pedantic and even if the court is wrong, the court's conclusions against/for Apple is what it is.
I worked in the courts in child protective proceedings for 30 years, as an investigator, and it is not pedantic to point out that courts don't investigate -- it is fundamental to the way courts function. I was simply trying to add to informational content of the thread.
 
For goodness sake, I wish everyone would either stop deifying or villianizing Tim Cook. He doesn’t own the damn company, the street does. He could be doing some things better.. but as long as shareholders get their pound of flesh he’s not going anywhere. This is not the days of Steve Jobs.
Boy, ain't that the truth! As long as Apple continues to please share holders, Cook et al will continue to run the company. If Apple starts to decline in revenue, the company will either correct itself, morph into something else, or die. By that time, Cook and the rest will retire with golden parachutes. Steve Jobs was an entrepreneur and visionary. I honestly don't think he would be accepted as a CEO of today's Apple by the almighty share holders. Somehow I am reminded of the Grand Inquisitor by Dostoevsky. But I digress ...
 
Which is another way of saying apple has a monopoly on the distribution of 3rd party iOS apps.
Right. Just as the "Joe's Shoes" salesman, is the only person who can sell "Joe's Shoes".

You can get the same apps on other platforms. The same exact ones. There is no monopoly.
 
Right. Just as the "Joe's Shoes" salesman, is the only person who can sell "Joe's Shoes".

You can get the same apps on other platforms. The same exact ones. There is no monopoly.

I'm guessing Joe makes those shoes. Apple doesn't make the 3rd party iOS apps in the iOS app store. Not even the same comparison.
 
I'm guessing Joe makes those shoes. Apple doesn't make the 3rd party iOS apps in the iOS app store. Not even the same comparison.
Yeah, I'm not sure what I was thinking when I typed that. Regardless, you can get the same apps on multiple platforms. There is no monopoly, because the developers can and do write their apps for multiple app markets.
 
Fine distinction: they are not a monopoly but engage in monopolistic practices. Example: can you purchase memory off the shelf that will work in an Apple product without modification? They won’t upgrade their own products anymore... driving you to a new purchase. They’re not very good at making their machines user serviceable and they pursue legal action against third parties that want the right to the same parts to service Apple products. They control the OS: the key separates them from others. Imagine if you could only buy a windows machine from Microsoft. That’s the situation.
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That’s exactly it.
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Oh, I disagree with that. I don’t use the service because of its bias, not as much in stories as in outlets. I’m no Trump supporter in any way, shape or form but the choice of outlets is highly liberal tending. I don’t necessarily fault them either.. they use what they’re provided. As a news aggregator it could use some more outlets. Then again, I am an independent conservative.

I tend to be very middle ground on most issues and I actually find Apple News’s suggestions to be more right-leaning on average than I prefer. However, I would say though that while on occasion radically liberal perspectives will pop up, radically conservative ones do not. That may just be a reflection of today’s politics though since radical conservativism is more often perceived as offensive by those that disagree than vice versa. No algorithm is going to perfectly unbiased all the time, but perhaps one’s opinion of it is more a byproduct of one’s political centeredness than the algorithm itself
 
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