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As a cool side story, the first trillion dollar company is from hundreds of years ago (albeit non U.S. based)

The Dutch East India Company would be the first trillion dollar company, by a long shot. In today’s value it was worth $7.4 Trillion at its peak.

https://www.sovereignman.com/trends...n-would-be-worth-over-7-trillion-today-15654/

If someone’s thinking “but they failed”, I’d wager Apple won’t be around in a couple hundred years either.

Side note: this website Sovereign Man is absolutely brilliant for financial education and insight, a topic severely lacking today (probably on purpose)
This has been debunked over and over again...sigh... I dont' know why people keep bringing it up.
 
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Now Tim, can we really get the upper end pro gear people are waiting for. ... Ports (USBA, Ethernet & SD), MagSafe type of connection intergraded in. “

No no no! For the love of....

Nobody wants all that crap except Windows users and a small bunch of whiners on MR. The world is moving forward and all those myriad of incompatible with each other old ports need to fall into the past and stay there, as soon as possible.

Apple have made some really dumb decisions lately (touch bar for one) but this ports thing isn’t one of them. Thank god Apple pushes these things forward or we’d all still be using floppies.

Still... I do agree that a 17” - 18” 4K 64GB MBP with faster processor and much better cooling, at the expense of whatever extra size and weight is needed for it, would be great.
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What self-congratulatory blather.
Kook took a computer company and turned it into a phone and watch company. He abandoned Apple's core user base that carried it through the harder years and insulted them by keeping the prices at gourmet caviar levels.
This repelled potential future computer buyers, hence why actual computer sales have plummeted.
He made Apple a lot of cash by abandoning what Apple Computer was originally supposed to be.
A computer company.
Now all they make are glitzed up iToys. If that is what he sees the company as being truly about, then he should just shut down the desktop, laptop and Mac OS departments and just devote everything to the gee-gaws and glitter and stop stringing actual computer users along.



Ummm... it was Steve who pulled “Computer” from “Apple Computer” long before Tim took over. Not saying I love Tim but let’s get our facts straight?
 
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No no no! For the love of....

Nobody wants all that crap except Windows users and a small bunch of whiners on MR. The world is moving forward and all those myriad of incompatible with each other old ports need to fall into the past and stay there, as soon as possible.

Apple have made some really dumb decisions lately (touch bar for one) but this ports thing isn’t one of them. Thank god Apple pushes these things forward or we’d all still be using floppies.

Still... I do agree that a 17” - 18” 4K 64GB MBP with faster processor and much better cooling, at the expense of whatever extra size and weight is needed for it, would be great.
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Ummm... it was Steve who pulled “Computer” from “Apple Computer” long before Tim took over. Not saying I love Tim but let’s get our facts straight?
Nits have just been picked. ;)
 
Who would you like as the CEO of Apple? Someone like John Sculley perhaps? Like it or not, Tim has continued the success that Steve Jobs was known for creating within Apple. I'm not sure that just anyone could pull that off. And wasn't it Steve himself that chose Tim as his successor? If everyone on this forum really idolizes Steve as much as they claim to, maybe you should respect his last act as CEO, trusting Tim to take the helm.

TC has absolutely not "continued the success that Steve Jobs was known for creating" I see very little if any real innovation. More importantly, he is alienating the initial, traditional very loyal hardware enthusiasts that led to this share price. Well for now anyway.
 
Who would you like as the CEO of Apple? Someone like John Sculley perhaps? Like it or not, Tim has continued the success that Steve Jobs was known for creating within Apple. I'm not sure that just anyone could pull that off.

Tim is living on INERTIA. That's it, no special insights. We are watching the inertia that Jobs created. Tim's skill is that he has kept out of the way and let it continue. But business doesn't operate in a vacuum and eventually that inertia will diminish without some bold thinking.
 
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TC has absolutely not "continued the success that Steve Jobs was known for creating" I see very little if any real innovation. More importantly, he is alienating the initial, traditional very loyal hardware enthusiasts that led to this share price. Well for now anyway.
Mac users account for a minority of Apple's current user base.

At best, they deserve credit for steadfastly sticking with Apple back when they were teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, but it's the very products these Mac enthusiasts vilify (iPhone, iPad, wearables) which have helped make Apple as successful as it is today, and which will go on to form the bedrock of their product strategy moving forward.

I sometimes wonder if they might actually be more of a liability these days...
 
If your staff has to work overtime, you do not have enough staff. But why should a trillion dollar company invest in staff...
No and Yes. . . . If the Overtime is caused by a short term situation then I feel that it is appropriate. If the OT is systemic, then hiring makes sense. What is worse, IMO. is hiring a bunch of people to handle a short-term condition only to lay them off when after the crisis is handled. (Albeit, it is harder to lay folks off in CA.)
 
So you know Cook personally then? Because that is the ONLY way you can claim he is kind. That is not an assumption you can make by reading the media or watching interviews.
He has also led the stocks and profits to ‘amazing growth’, not the company.
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This 93%, is that global customers or as I suspect, US customers? And where does this data come from, an independent survey or Apple themselves.

I am sure I know him as personally as you do and yet you condemn him on that knowledge or lack thereof. You can tell he has a very gentle spirit based upon how he conducts himself in various settings. Furthermore, there are no reports of him being callous or anything else that would call his character into question. I can only surmise that you are just another in a long line of people that think that because there is not a Mac gaming PC at a comparable cost to a WinTel machine he and the company are worthless. If that is correct, you like the others have a narrow view of the company as a whole and the fact that they don't focus on that at the expense of other initiatives is perfectly fine by me.
 
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I am sure I know him as personally as you do and yet you condemn him on that knowledge or lack thereof. You can tell he has a very gentle spirit based upon how he conducts himself in various settings. Furthermore, there are no reports of him being callous or anything else that would call his character into question. I can only surmise that you are just another in a long line of people that think that because there is not a Mac gaming PC at a comparable cost to a WinTel machine he and the company are worthless. If that is correct, you like the others have a narrow view of the company as a whole and the fact that they don't focus on that at the expense of other initiatives is perfectly fine by me.

I can tell by your ‘assumption’ of me, which is categorically absolutely beyond reproach or question totally utterly massively absolutely wrong! That you also have no clue about Cook, none, nada, you show you have absolutely no clue about me, thus proving your assumptions are flawed about people you have never met and do not know personally.

In regards to Macs and gaming take a look at my thread here to prove you wrong factually, I can assure you I didn’t make it for a laugh or because I had time to kill...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-advice.2129790/

You I believe are the sort of person who thinks anyone who criticises Apple must hate them and never owns their products, when in reality on this site that couldn’t be any further from the truth.
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Mac users account for a minority of Apple's current user base.

At best, they deserve credit for steadfastly sticking with Apple back when they were teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, but it's the very products these Mac enthusiasts vilify (iPhone, iPad, wearables) which have helped make Apple as successful as it is today, and which will go on to form the bedrock of their product strategy moving forward.

I sometimes wonder if they might actually be more of a liability these days...

So you are claiming all Mac computer users are a liability to Apple as a corporation? Are you certain you don’t own any AAPL stock? What a ludicrous misguided thoughtless comment to make.
 
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So you are claiming all Mac computer users are a liability to Apple as a corporation? Are you certain you don’t own any AAPL stock? What a ludicrous misguided thoughtless comment to make.

No Apple stock at all.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/4/12/the-mac-is-turning-into-apples-achilles-heel

In the greater scheme of things, I feel that niche products like the rumoured Mac Pro hog an outsized amount of engineering resources relative to the amount of revenue they bring in and the number of people they serve.

To me, the issue isn’t so much profits but opportunity cost. That perhaps there is room to condense the current Mac line even further so that more resources can be funnelled towards Apple’s more forward looking products (eg: Apple Watch, Airpods, iPad etc) that have the potential to reach and touch so many more people.

And I what I am starting to see is an increasingly vocal group of disgruntled Mac users who are channeling their resentment over the apparent neglect of the current Mac line into vitriol and negativity for everything else that Apple is doing, which clearly has ramifications on the mood and tone of discussions here at Macrumours.

It’s one thing to be angry over the state of the MacBook Pro, it’s another to dismiss the value of other products such as the iPad, Apple Watch or even the watch bands just because.

I know I probably should be more sympathetic to their plight, but sometimes, I do wonder...
 
I can tell by your ‘assumption’ of me, which is categorically absolutely beyond reproach or question totally utterly massively absolutely wrong! That you also have no clue about Cook, none, nada, you show you have absolutely no clue about me, thus proving your assumptions are flawed about people you have never met and do not know personally.

In regards to Macs and gaming take a look at my thread here to prove you wrong factually, I can assure you I didn’t make it for a laugh or because I had time to kill...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-advice.2129790/

You I believe are the sort of person who thinks anyone who criticises Apple must hate them and never owns their products, when in reality on this site that couldn’t be any further from the truth.

I never said anything about not owning Apple products. I simply inferred that 99% of people that complain about Apple's current standing are either gamers or Mac power users. And as I have stated numerous times in various threads, I can completely understand why Apple comparatively neglects the Mac in relation to other products and that is due to the lack of growth opportunity. So in essence I was right as the basis of your complaint is indeed the Mac (albeit slightly different issues with the product). As for your first statement, do you play golf with Tim? Does he throw his clubs around like Tiger? What amazing insight do you have to his soul that none of us are privy to?
 
No Apple stock at all.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/4/12/the-mac-is-turning-into-apples-achilles-heel

In the greater scheme of things, I feel that niche products like the rumoured Mac Pro hog an outsized amount of engineering resources relative to the amount of revenue they bring in and the number of people they serve.

To me, the issue isn’t so much profits but opportunity cost. That perhaps there is room to condense the current Mac line even further so that more resources can be funnelled towards Apple’s more forward looking products (eg: Apple Watch, Airpods, iPad etc) that have the potential to reach and touch so many more people.

And I what I am starting to see is an increasingly vocal group of disgruntled Mac users who are channeling their resentment over the apparent neglect of the current Mac line into vitriol and negativity for everything else that Apple is doing, which clearly has ramifications on the mood and tone of discussions here at Macrumours.

It’s one thing to be angry over the state of the MacBook Pro, it’s another to dismiss the value of other products such as the iPad, Apple Watch or even the watch bands just because.

I know I probably should be more sympathetic to their plight, but sometimes, I do wonder...


Why does everyone assume that designing a new Mac Pro is going to hog resources; the only reason it would do that is if Apple releases some haired brained idea that hoses every pro (content creation) user AGAIN. I mean sure it is fun that Apple keeps trying to re-invent the wheel and all, but the folks who need heavy iron to render out stuff do not give a rats **** what it looks like, all that is cared about is does it perform and perform well over a long period of time.

I have said numerous times already, if Apple is to stay with Intel, Intel has already done 90% of the engineering.

I guess a lot of us are pissed off because Tim Cook acts as though new emoticons just "saved the day!"

I was one of the original iPhones owners (I have an original iPod also) and yes I coughed up the $800 bucks for it; and amazingly it did every single thing Apple promised it would -- it was a game changer for sure -- although to be honest the only fault I could find was that the speaker wasn't loud enough. It really put the other phone makers to shame; which was perfect because every single other cell phone maker at the time laughed at the notion of Apple making a phone.

Perhaps Apple has something brewing for the MacPro that is going to blow us away, but so far based on what has been going on the Mac side; the optimism and trust just isn't there.
 
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Why does everyone assume that designing a new Mac Pro is going to hog resources; the only reason it would do that is if Apple releases some haired brained idea that hoses every pro (content creation) user AGAIN. I mean sure it is fun that Apple keeps trying to re-invent the wheel and all, but the folks who need heavy iron to render out stuff do not give a rats **** what it looks like, all that is cared about is does it perform and perform well over a long period of time.

I have said numerous times already, if Apple is to stay with Intel, Intel has already done 90% of the engineering.

I guess a lot of us are pissed off because Tim Cook acts as though new emoticons just "saved the day!"

I was one of the original iPhones owners (I have an original iPod also) and yes I coughed up the $800 bucks for it; and amazingly it did every single thing Apple promised it would -- it was a game changer for sure -- although to be honest the only fault I could find was that the speaker wasn't loud enough. It really put the other phone makers to shame; which was perfect because every single other cell phone maker at the time laughed at the notion of Apple making a phone.

Perhaps Apple has something brewing for the MacPro that is going to blow us away, but so far based on what has been going on the Mac side; the optimism and trust just isn't there.

Because from what I can see, they are.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/05/apples-2019-imac-pro-will-be-shaped-by-workflows/
 
Finally that goal is reached, maybe they now can focus more on products rather than operations and shareholder perception.
 
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I never said anything about not owning Apple products. I simply inferred that 99% of people that complain about Apple's current standing are either gamers or Mac power users. And as I have stated numerous times in various threads, I can completely understand why Apple comparatively neglects the Mac in relation to other products and that is due to the lack of growth opportunity. So in essence I was right as the basis of your complaint is indeed the Mac (albeit slightly different issues with the product). As for your first statement, do you play golf with Tim? Does he throw his clubs around like Tiger? What amazing insight do you have to his soul that none of us are privy to?

The PC area can provide massive growth for Apple, it is short sighted to claim otherwise, when your market share is in single digits, it’s laghable to claim theirs no room for growth.
Your opinion of those who complain about Macs is also at best laghable. A power user shouldn’t complain about a machine they’ve spent thousands on, use to earn money and it has the ‘Pro’ moniker attaches to it, in your opinion these people should not complain. Strange opinion you have there..

As for insight on Tim, don’t try and spin this around, you are the one claiming you know him well enough to make facts about his personality, even though I doubt you’ve ever met the man.
 
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Why does everyone assume that designing a new Mac Pro is going to hog resources;


Historical evidence over the last 5 years of any product that gets Apple's executives attention seems to eat up most of the companies "resources".

Apple's executive and management style has not kept up with the size of Apple, or the demand that selling 200 million assorted devices across 15-20 product lineups entails.

We still see the same behaviour out of them regarding product focus we saw out of Apple when Jobs was around. However, there are significant differences in size of the company. product lines, and even staff on the team have changed dramatically without the top ground adjusting.

When Apple focuses a lot of their resources on a singular product, especially one with a major revision, they seem to forget about others. When the Apple watch was the focus, pretty much the whole lineup saw mostly incremental updates with some products being forgotten. When they shifted to MacBook pro's a couple years back for their focus, things got ignored from other lineups.

Apple has the money, staffing and capabilities of adjusting and delegating departmental duties. Apple seems to just refuse to do so.

However, if you look at the most succesful parts of Apple right now, the ones truly pushing forwards, inventing and innovating? it's not part of the major product groups. it's their Silicon teams, the ones that don't need hands on from the executives.

Look, there's no excuse why a "Trillion Dollar Company" that employs dozens of thousands of employees cannot get a new "Pro" desktop out in over 6 years. There's no excuse for the issues with the new MacBook Pros. There's no excuse for Air and Mini to sit "new" with 3-5 generation old components. There's no reason why at least till the "X" the iPhone stopped getting new appearance revisions for 4 model years (6, 6s, 7, 8).


So back to the point. No a new Mac Pro should NOT hog resources. But chances are, Apple is hogging resources anyways. And the only reason for the new Mac Pro's constant delays is because they're still pushing for proprietary locked down technology within a sealed box.
 
No Apple stock at all.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/4/12/the-mac-is-turning-into-apples-achilles-heel

In the greater scheme of things, I feel that niche products like the rumoured Mac Pro hog an outsized amount of engineering resources relative to the amount of revenue they bring in and the number of people they serve.

To me, the issue isn’t so much profits but opportunity cost. That perhaps there is room to condense the current Mac line even further so that more resources can be funnelled towards Apple’s more forward looking products (eg: Apple Watch, Airpods, iPad etc) that have the potential to reach and touch so many more people.

And I what I am starting to see is an increasingly vocal group of disgruntled Mac users who are channeling their resentment over the apparent neglect of the current Mac line into vitriol and negativity for everything else that Apple is doing, which clearly has ramifications on the mood and tone of discussions here at Macrumours.

It’s one thing to be angry over the state of the MacBook Pro, it’s another to dismiss the value of other products such as the iPad, Apple Watch or even the watch bands just because.

I know I probably should be more sympathetic to their plight, but sometimes, I do wonder...

You DO remember that all those apps which run in your so called, ‘mainstream’ Apple devices, those ones it makes over 60% of its entire earnings from, have to be made on a Mac right? So your apparent ‘niche’ product you don’t like because it hogs resources is one of the reasons you have iOS devices!
You should at least try to remember this fact when you complain about Mac computers and it’s users on here and their ‘plight’.

And I think their is PLENTY to complain about with the Apple Watch and iOS without an disgruntled Mac user. The buggiest iOS ever is testamount to that, and the lack of Apples programmers ability to make the breath app work on the Apple Watch.

I think to accuse Mac users of almost being a problem with what you want, when they want new computers, and then accuse them of dragging everyone else down, is to literally ignore the state of iOS.


So this is where we are at peeps, if you want a new Mac and complain about Apples utter failure to update its computers, you are a hindrance to the company and iOS fans, and it’s your fault it’s resources are being taken away for new computer development and apparently taken away from new iOS devices and watch’s, and the iOS fans don’t like you and think you drag everyone down.. the richest corporation on the planet is utterly incapable of refreshing its devices all at once, something other corporations manage to do quite happily year in year out....

Never heard sooo much apologist baloany on here! Never... Is this site going to turn into iOS VS Mac now then? Chose a side and fight....
 
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No no no! For the love of....

Nobody wants all that crap except Windows users and a small bunch of whiners on MR. The world is moving forward and all those myriad of incompatible with each other old ports need to fall into the past and stay there, as soon as possible.

Apple have made some really dumb decisions lately (touch bar for one) but this ports thing isn’t one of them. Thank god Apple pushes these things forward or we’d all still be using floppies.

Still... I do agree that a 17” - 18” 4K 64GB MBP with faster processor and much better cooling, at the expense of whatever extra size and weight is needed for it, would be great.
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Ummm... it was Steve who pulled “Computer” from “Apple Computer” long before Tim took over. Not saying I love Tim but let’s get our facts straight?

Well, some of us still need onboard ports! The hubs & dongles are junk! I don't want to pack all this junk when I go on a shoot site. I want (need) the dam ports! I'm only looking for two USB-A and SD is also something us photogs need as its just faster than Bluetooth or WiFi not of this is a killer! Have you tried downloading RAW files? They are very big! The power connection is also a very simple fix depress one UCB-C port (one on each side) so a plug could be put in that ends up being flush. It you look at the IFIXIT tear downs you'll see there's room!
 
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