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It’s not Apple’s fault that Google messed about for years jumping from one messenger app to another and didn’t come up with anything good. Now they want Apple to bend over backwards to bail them out.
RCS version 1 was finalized, and now, the children born then are entering highschool. That was long before Google even started developing their failed messaging apps. To be honest the biggest villian in all of this is the carriers who took so long to allow it on their networks... But now that role has fallen to Apple.
 
I, of course, thought this to be a joke until I performed a quick Google search. Nice little rabbit hole I’ve found myself in! 😳
There was no need for the Google search as certain things have been out in the open for quite a while now if you are able "to see" them.
From the "drunken sailor language" of Victoria Nuland: "F**k the EU." to the academic style of the Henry Kissinger: "Europe is no longer the heart of the Western civilization it once was." I would say that the writing was on the wall for some time now. Angela Merkel did her best by trying to maneuver in order to save the day but she is gone now. I am sure that the Brexit also took place with this understanding in mind.
 
Lol. I have tried ridiculously hard pre-me having an iPhone to get people to download WhatsApp. They have 50048484 game apps on their phone but wouldn’t do it.
I wouldn't either. I'm not going to go digging through 3 or 4 different messaging apps because 3 or 4 friends/family members use WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram. All my friends/family members use the stock messaging app whether they're iPhone or Android, so I have one place to go when I want to check messages. I've had friends over the years who wanted me to download some janky messaging app or walkie-talkie app they were using, and I just blew them off.
 
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I wouldn't either. I'm not going to go digging through 3 or 4 different messaging apps because 3 or 4 friends/family members use WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram. All my friends/family members use the stock messaging app whether they're iPhone or Android, so I have one place to go when I want to check messages. I've had friends over the years who wanted me to download some janky messaging app or walkie-talkie app they were using, and I just blew them off.
It really isn’t a big deal. My husband and dad insist on using Samsung phones. I just message them using WhatsApp. My work group is on WhatsApp. It really isn’t a big deal.
 
RCS is idiotic. do you really want to tie yourself to a carrier?

hey! let me face time this RCS guy. oh wait, HIS CARRIER won't support video calls. absolutely stupid.

if you thought green bubbles and blue bubbles was confusing the first time, just wait until you see red bubbles.
 
Yeah, it's ultimately about greed. But both Google and Apple should push their greed aside to build a messaging solution that works out for the end user.
If anyone, first, the carriers would need to push THEIR greed aside. They were the ones that created SMS/MMS, they were the ones that created the interoperability among ALL carriers and all phones in the world (even on systems that didn’t natively support SMS like CDMA). If any more advanced solution is coming, it’ll be coming from them.

Any solution not taking the carriers into account will be “just another app” to download, as Google has shown with Google RCS.
 
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I really don’t get why so many people here think third-party chat tools are the solution.
Because Google has said they’re the answer. On Android, most users would still need to download a client app to use it, just like with WhatsApp, Signal, etc.
SMS/MMS needs to be replaced industry-wide, but the mobile monopolies (three monstrous companies isn’t competition) think they’re in the business of selling contracts, rather than providing services, and so they won’t lift a finger to improve services universally. If it costs them any investment, they’ll refuse to do it.
And, after replacing SMS/MMS, dumb phones, which can’t run apps, just no longer have any way to receive text messages? At this point, that’s cutting off a LOOOOOOOOT of people just for a few folks in the US to get… read receipts?
 
Really if Apple e-mail can talk to non-Apple e-mail, and iMessage can talk with SMS, why not RCS.... Maybe then SMS as an old insecure standard can be shut off.
You should do some reading up on RCS. The GSMA that created it has given up on it. If there IS eventually an interoperable solution, it won’t be RCS. (Although there won’t be an interoperable solution because, for the vast majority of phone users, SMS/MMS is sufficient)
 
If anyone, first, the carriers would need to push THEIR greed aside. They were the ones that created SMS/MMS, they were the ones that created the interoperability among ALL carriers and all phones in the world (even on systems that didn’t natively support SMS like CDMA). If any more advanced solution is coming, it’ll be coming from them.

Any solution not taking the carriers into account will be “just another app” to download, as Google has shown with Google RCS.
Both RCS and iMessage found away to put some form of layer upon SMS/MMS… not necessarily replacing it. But provides users modern features compared to SMS/MMS. All I’m suggesting is… combining RCS and iMessage in some fashion, not sure how that would be implemented. But carriers can do what they will with SMS/MMS (haven’t sent a SMS/MMS in years)… but the best solution is for Google and Apple work together to find a common ground, which I admit will not happen.

Because depending on carriers to do some messaging platform would be a bogus, Google and Apple seems as if they are willing to find a better way for users to communicate. Carriers could care less.
 
Apple, however, would apparently prefer that I become an iPhone salesman instead of work on a solution for their own damn customers.

It doesn’t even have to be RCS, Apple could work with Google on an entirely different standard that’s up to their standard. But no, they want the experience to be bad because they want me to pressure friends and strangers to buy their phone.
So, if it doesn’t have to be RCS, might I interest you in being a Telegram or Signal salesman? Or perhaps, WhatsApp? Or, do you ONLY want to be a Google salesman? Best thing about these other products is, you don’t even have to wait for them to have wide usage around the world, they’re ALREADY there! :) And, for folks outside the US, you don’t even have to be a salesman because they’re already using them!
 
Eventually Apple will face industry and international pressure to align with standards as is the case with Europe and USB type C. When they finally support RCS, they'll position it as an innovation like they did with passkeys. It might take some time however.
Yeah, especially with carriers TOTALLY not interested at all, you’re not going to find carriers around the world as eager to cede control to Google (as the US ones were) for what is a VERY lucrative business for them.
 
Google is trying to push a platform agnostic standard for all users.
Well, not for dumb phone users. Which is one reason for the strength of SMS it works for pretty much everybody. Give someone a number and they can get a text message regardless of device. And if you mean a platform agnostic standard for smartphone users, interestingly enough, that’s what WhatsApp is doing, too! And Signal! And Telegram!
 
But it needs to be enforced or supported universally by all Android devices and also endorsed by the GSM alliance. This should provide then necessary weight to get them to add it on.
THIS! SMS didn’t happen because governments said “LET US MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN!”, it was a side feature in GSM messaging that a few people figured out, GSM carriers realized they could make that a FEATURE of their networks that set them apart (and that they could charge for) and, as a result, non-GSM networks that didn’t even have built-in support for the feature kludged it in so that GSM networks wouldn’t have that advantage, and there you have it. A worldwide communications standard that pretty much any cellular phone can use.

And, when enough customers wanted better, here comes MMS, also widely supported by carriers around the world. And that defines why it remains SMS/MMS to this day. There’s not enough customers interested in anything better.
 
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How else am I meant to message someone with a different brand of phone?
Call ‘em? Post on their social media? Send them an email? Use a search engine and you can find myriad ways to get a message to someone with a different brand of phone. It’s a problem that’s been solved myriad numbers of ways.
 
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RCS is a newer and better standard than SMS that doesn't belong to Google. Also the suggestions here that "RSC is Google's favorite standard" are nonsense, its not like there are multiple messaging standards at the Carrier level and Google very suspiciously picked RCS as their "favorite".
No, it’s not nonsense. It’s not RCS because Google doesn’t call it RCS, T-mobile doesn’t call it RCS, they all refer to it as “Google RCS” which is NOT the same as the RCS standard that has been all but forgotten by the GSMA that proposed it.
 
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