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It's almost embarrassing watching Cook and crew endlessly pucker up to China while the stock continues to tumble. Apple didn't become what Apple is today by worrying about profit margins and the bottom line. Apple got to where it is or was by focusing on making the greatest products money could buy. The rest seemed to take care of itself. I'm not saying Apple is doomed. I do however feel Apple has lost some of its magic.
 
It's not a question of quality. Apple is still king for elegant UI and hardware design. For devices so massively produced, they are still top notch. I have noticed some drop in QC but it's not as bad as Samsung phones etc.

The comment re: elegant UI design is subjective, and frankly, I find Android's Material Design (stock Android that is) superior to the current, inconsistent, state of iOS. I feel the king has lost his crown and possibly his garments.
As for QC, if you mean software I agree; hardware it's now a photo finish.
Just my $0.02
 
That's not the point. Those profit margins will fall dramatically and Apple will decline as a company and/or possibly move to a backseat-type of a company, maybe moving into electric automobiles....things that other companies like Tesla are already doing very successfully.

The point is, Steve was one of those guys at the top of a huge company telling people that this sucks, or this is good, release that, etc. He knew what people needed/wanted before anyone else.

Like I said, Tim is a numbers guy. He sees numbers go up in an area and puts more into that category so they can make more money. He is Steve's protege since 1997 after all.

Apple relies 70% of their profits on iOS devices and that will decline due to democratization of mobile devices. All mobile devices look the same now and have similar functions. Chinese manufacturers like Xiaomi are closing that gap as well, especially in the "Affordable premium" mobile devices.

Apple needs a new leader, Tim is, like I said, a numbers guy and wants to please the board and stockholders.

Apple, historically, did well when it broke new product lines. Some were good, some were bad. That's what kept Steve going, in my opinion. He took big risks.

The Apple Watch is not a huge risk, and I bet you that was even a project on the back burner that Steve worked on.

The decline of Mac sales and iOS sales is a sure sign of an end to an era.

Then again Apple is increasing their services revenue like neve Steve was able to do (Ping social network...o that was a nice one), and Apple pay will further help in the near future, huge investment are going into maps even if it will take time to catch up (time that was lost in the past), with a competition that Steve never faced, their are also investing in new market such as VR and Automotive where there will be an opportunity for innovation, least but not last environment and privacy are giving to the company a human aspect that it never had in the past, to be fair to me it looks like you are just blinded by the stock price atm. too bad we will both forget about this post in two years...like we always do...
 
A guy like Steve Jobs can only come around once in a generation, if that. Maybe even several generations will go by before an equivalent comes along. People forget that. It isn't easy to be a forward thinking revolutionary, and be right. It's easy to be forward thinking and be wrong. Stop giving Tim Cook a hard time. He's following Steve's road map. Steve left 30 years worth of instructions to his company. No worries, this is just a bit of a dip. Apple's dip is still the highest profits of any company. Anyone would love Apple's last quarter, so people need to get over themselves
 
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Anyone else have a bad feeling Tim is just ending up being another John Scully.. They kinda think the same, even something as simple as the iPhone 6 & S fragmentation shows just how he thinks. It's not right, it's about simplicity Tim, zen, not profit margins and split product lines. Someone like Tim Cook can never keep Apple going the way it should be, he's a suit, not a Jobs.

Kinda difficult to understand 3 models with 3 sizes? Is your brain already heating? Lol. Excuse him if he thinks the average customer can use his brain for maybe a bit more than pursuing a logo.
 
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The comment re: elegant UI design is subjective, and frankly, I find Android's Material Design (stock Android that is) superior to the current, inconsistent, state of iOS. I feel the king has lost his crown and possibly his garments.
As for QC, if you mean software I agree; hardware it's now a photo finish.
Just my $0.02

Good design is not subjective. Good design is effortless.

Don't confuse usable and good with each other.

Your Android device may be usable, but it does not carry any design thinking in it's UI or hardware design.
 
The comment re: elegant UI design is subjective, and frankly, I find Android's Material Design (stock Android that is) superior to the current, inconsistent, state of iOS. I feel the king has lost his crown and possibly his garments.
As for QC, if you mean software I agree; hardware it's now a photo finish.
Just my $0.02
Lol. Material Design is what you get when you lock a committee in a room and someone's child colors a pattern and everyone is "inspired" lol. It's god awful in terms of actual Human Interface
 
Then again Apple is increasing their services revenue like neve Steve was able to do (Ping social network...o that was a nice one), and Apple pay will further help in the near future, huge investment are going into maps even if it will take time to catch up (time that was lost in the past), with a competition that Steve never faced, their are also investing in new market such as VR and Automotive where there will be an opportunity for innovation, least but not last environment and privacy are giving to the company a human aspect that it never had in the past, to be fair to me it looks like you are just blinded by the stock price atm. too bad we will both forget about this post in two years...like we always do...

Not blinded by anything but what I see.

I've been following Apple since the 90's, please don't tell me about the history of Apple and what it stands for.
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Lol. Material Design is what you get when you lock a committee in a room and someone's child colors a pattern and everyone is "inspired" lol. It's god awful in terms of actual Human Interface

People don't get it.

Android is a God-awful OS. Terrible typography, badly designed icons, not to mention the horrible scrolling and just in general a lack of elegance.

It may be a more "open" OS, ie allows file browsing, but who needs that now anyway?
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A guy like Steve Jobs can only come around once in a generation, if that. Maybe even several generations will go by before an equivalent comes along. People forget that. It isn't easy to be a forward thinking revolutionary, and be right. It's easy to be forward thinking and be wrong. Stop giving Tim Cook a hard time. He's following Steve's road map. Steve left 30 years worth of instructions to his company. No worries, this is just a bit of a dip. Apple's dip is still the highest profits of any company. Anyone would love Apple's last quarter, so people need to get over themselves

Look into Elon Musk.
 
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It's weird to me seeing the people who couldn't see the future even with a crystal ball bashing Apple...
I for one do NOT want Tesla to become Microsoft (the ONLY choice for decades). It is incontrovertible that the automotive space won't even resemble what it is now in twenty years...
So, exactly who is going to provide the components of this new industry?? Who even CAN?? We have Tesla. They can... (though you can see that the demand outstrips what they can supply). How about the old guard auto companies? Not a CHANCE! Think about it... where would they get the money?? They'd have to COMPLETELY stop manufacturing/designing combustion vehicles & shift 100% energy here. They simply CANNOT. Their shareholders wouldn't allow it. So... can they afford to simultaneously have a full design group, engineering group, factories, etc TIMES TWO while they attempt both? Again, unlikely. Where would they get the money?
What a company would need to have is no old debt, old factories, old ideals in the industry & a ridiculous amount of cash... inroads in most countries, political clout, experience starting & moving forward new industries, etc.
Sound like anybody you know?? ;0)
Realistically, beyond Tesla... Alphabet & Apple are some of the only companies in a position to enter this market.
That's fine... Google will make theirs open source so the car manufacturers can get on board... Tesla's tech is open source. And we'll have Apple as well with a closed loop, but viable alternative.
Same as we have now in mobile.
 
Anyone else have a bad feeling Tim is just ending up being another John Scully.. They kinda think the same, even something as simple as the iPhone 6 & S fragmentation shows just how he thinks. It's not right, it's about simplicity Tim, zen, not profit margins and split product lines. Someone like Tim Cook can never keep Apple going the way it should be, he's a suit, not a Jobs.

Having two sizes of iPhone isn't bad.

Remember the iPod Nano line being sold alongside the main iPod line? Same thing. One is the flagship. One is a smaller, cheaper variation. That was done under Jobs.

Remember the 13", 15", and 17" MacBook Pro? Done under Jobs.

The problem I have with Apple is they haven't been aggressive enough about killing old products. The iPod Shuffle and Nano both should have been killed by now. Why does Apple still have non-Retina laptops? Those all should have been killed by now (or, if they're being kept around as a budget option for schools, Apple should hide them from the main pages and only reveal them in the education store pages.)
 
Anyone else have a bad feeling Tim is just ending up being another John Scully.. They kinda think the same, even something as simple as the iPhone 6 & S fragmentation shows just how he thinks. It's not right, it's about simplicity Tim, zen, not profit margins and split product lines. Someone like Tim Cook can never keep Apple going the way it should be, he's a suit, not a Jobs.
You could almost argue Scully was a better fit as he must have learned first hand what didn't work and what in stark contrast to his policies put Apple back on track.

Seriously, rather him than Cook.

For ****'s sake, I guess Scott Forstall were a more reasonable candidate than Cook.

Time to turn Apple around while it's just a matter of fixing things and not rebuilding.

Glassed Silver:ios
 
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So, exactly who is going to provide the components of this new industry?? Who even CAN?? We have Tesla. They can... (though you can see that the demand outstrips what they can supply). How about the old guard auto companies? Not a CHANCE! Think about it... where would they get the money?? They'd have to COMPLETELY stop manufacturing/designing combustion vehicles & shift 100% energy here. They simply CANNOT. Their shareholders wouldn't allow it. So... can they afford to simultaneously have a full design group, engineering group, factories, etc TIMES TWO while they attempt both? Again, unlikely. Where would they get the money?
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Tesla is definitely leading and accelerating all this (and I love what and how they do everything), but the "old guard" is rapidly advancing as well. For examples, Renault-Nissan, Audi, Volvo invest heavily in autonomous tech, hybrids, plug-in-hybrids and all work on standalone electric models. Some automakers will fail, but the smart ones have already started to adapt.
 
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That's not the point. Those profit margins will fall dramatically and Apple will decline as a company and/or possibly move to a backseat-type of a company, maybe moving into electric automobiles....things that other companies like Tesla are already doing very successfully.

The point is, Steve was one of those guys at the top of a huge company telling people that this sucks, or this is good, release that, etc. He knew what people needed/wanted before anyone else.

Like I said, Tim is a numbers guy. He sees numbers go up in an area and puts more into that category so they can make more money. He is Steve's protege since 1997 after all.

Apple relies 70% of their profits on iOS devices and that will decline due to democratization of mobile devices. All mobile devices look the same now and have similar functions. Chinese manufacturers like Xiaomi are closing that gap as well, especially in the "Affordable premium" mobile devices.

Apple needs a new leader, Tim is, like I said, a numbers guy and wants to please the board and stockholders.

Apple, historically, did well when it broke new product lines. Some were good, some were bad. That's what kept Steve going, in my opinion. He took big risks.

The Apple Watch is not a huge risk, and I bet you that was even a project on the back burner that Steve worked on.

The decline of Mac sales and iOS sales is a sure sign of an end to an era.

Steve was one of those people surrounded by those who sometimes shared his vision, but who also were willing to tell him he has wrong--and he listened to them (sometimes). Steve Jobs in a vacuum wasn't what made Apple, but Steve surrounded by a large number of talented men and women who could make everything happen. Tim may not have the temperament of Steve, nor the same perspective on design, but he is surrounded by people who are no less talented at what they do. iPod, iPhone, iPad were produced by years of stockpiled efforts and R&D. I have little doubt that they are working on many more things, but it takes time to move from a collection of new components, features, etc. to a coherent and manufacturable product. 'Agile' development in hardware leads to disaster (or many Android phones >.<), and we would be complaining just as loudly then. We may be expectant of constant new products based on the continual introduction of apps and software features to various products we use, but hardware is a different beast.
 
Maybe Tim arrived to secretly marry Jean Liu. Another condition to enter Chinese market.
 
Steve is dead. Fortunately, Tim Cook (who was Jobs' close friend, and handpicked as his successor) has been expanding Apple's business into China with its huge number of people with money to spend, that was pretty much ignored under Jobs. And, thankfully, pursuing new opportunities/technologies beyond the saturated pc and smartphone markets that now have little upward potential for dramatic growth going forward.

Apple is investing in the Chinese ride sharing company to make money. Apple doesn't get any trade secrets from that company and Apple didn't pay to be a partner. Like how when people invest in Apple, they don't get to know the secrets in Apple HQ.

What this says is Tim believes that it is a better investment to invest in that Chinese ride sharing company instead of Apple (by way of Apple stock buy back). DOOMED!
 
I suppose that investing money in a Chinese ride-sharing company makes sense when you consider that the money is most likely coming from the cash that Apple has siting idle off-shore. Given the choice between making money on the investment (or even if you don't lose money on it) and getting butt-f*cked by Washington greed, the former is in the best interest of the company and its investors (read: stockholders and pension plan members). Sure, it does nothing to feed the customer's addiction to insanely-great products but what else are you going to do with the U.S. political future in limbo?
 
When a Chinese corporation puts big bucks into an American company: "OMG, China is going to own us all!"

When Apple puts big bucks into a Chinese company: "OMG, Apple is kowtowing to China!"
 
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