Tim Cook Warned by CIA That China Could Move on Taiwan by 2027

[PBG4 Dude]

china could attack taiwan today

Probably not today, based on China current events. The top two generals have been disappeared by Xi, and the number 3 general died shortly after the top two generals went missing.

The CCP government has still to come out publicly in favor of Xi’s actions, which means there is an internal struggle over how to handle these events.

These 2 generals were the last two with actual combat experience from the Sino-Vietnam War from the late 80s, so you now have a military led by people without actual combat experience.

Stories are coming out, of questionable origin, saying military corruption like seen in the Russian army has missiles with water instead of rocket fuel due to corruption as an example. Whether this is true or not I don’t know. It’s hard to know which news outlets are actual news vs propaganda, and I don’t know of any place that lists out China outlets on basis of accuracy.

 

[CATiNTHESTORE]

Typical weak leadership from Biden. He was going to pay 50 billion while Trump forced the tech companies to do it themselves with tariffs. Now that's strong leadership!

Ahaha, forces to tech companies?)Are You sure my lil friend? You sure ??? Companies will never pay tariffs - it will be always YOU customers …

 

[The_Gream]

Biden was going to spend taxpayers money.

Trump is using tariffs which are paid by...
...I'll be kind, I'll give you three options:
- other countries
- the tooth fairy with her teeth-reselling business
- US citizens when they buy stuff, with heavy repercussions on US trade relationships and soft power, retaliation on US export, the US economy in general, jobs of people who work in the US but need imported raw materials.

It also turned out that the president can't just impose random tariffs based on nothing. And you said it was a good strategy. While his own corrupt justices decided that's not legal.

So much this.

If Trump really wanted to bring home manufacturing, he would increase the taxes on companies that rely on foreign products.
“Oh, you employ legals and produced products locally, nice have a 10% income tax rate”

“Oh, your rely on foreign products and/or labor, nice here’s a 50% income tax rate”

 

[The_Gream]

Probably not today, based on China current events. The top two generals have been disappeared by Xi, and the number 3 general died shortly after the top two generals went missing.

The CCP government has still to come out publicly in favor of Xi’s actions, which means there is an internal struggle over how to handle these events.

These 2 generals were the last two with actual combat experience from the Sino-Vietnam War from the late 80s, so you now have a military led by people without actual combat experience.

Stories are coming out, of questionable origin, saying military corruption like seen in the Russian army has missiles with water instead of rocket fuel due to corruption as an example. Whether this is true or not I don’t know. It’s hard to know which news outlets are actual news vs propaganda, and I don’t know of any place that lists out China outlets on basis of accuracy.

I remember one report, about China’s navy, was that most of their ships are really just fishing vessels.

I think people also forget, from something I also saw wars ago, Taiwan has dug in defensively all over the island. Sure China could invade, but the cost to China would be astronomical compared to the current Russian-Ukraine war.

I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese leadership to use it as a means to reduce their population, win or lose, China’s manufacturing sector would still be there.

 

[seamuskrat]

Throughout history we have had wars over land, women, wealth, water, salt and now chips. It is always about scare or valuable resources. If humanity makes it another 1000 years I wonder if historians will look back at these times as the Chipo Wars, or more likely the second dark ages.

 

[SpotOnT]

I don’t doubt that China would like to have control over Taiwan, that being said, why would control over Taiwan suddenly mean TSMC would no longer make chips for US companies when mainland China makes the vast majority of US technologies?

China likes having the world as its customer, what makes control over Taiwan different?

Any China-Taiwan war would likely involve some kind of blockade of Taiwans airspace and seaspace, so there definitely would be a “short term” supply disruption. Notice how Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is already into its 4th year, which is an eternity in the tech word, so “short term” is relative.

During war you may also get destruction/damage to factories in Taiwan, repurposing of factory output to produce wartime goods, not to mention loss of life leading to loss of expertise and knowledge.

Honestly, I don’t see how a military invasion of Taiwan wouldn’t permanently destroy TSMC’s output on the island.

War is a very destructive thing….

 

[klasma]

Getting the US fair trade is communism ??

That’s not what he’s doing, though.

 

[SpotOnT]

You have to look at reporting like this through the lens of who are they trying to influence. It’s very likely this is just a story planted to increase domestic investment.

If it did happen though, yeah, goodbye economy. And livelihoods. And lives.

This is the dangerous thing about isolationist policy.

Planted by who?

 

[Nyx1]

i'm tired say this to Tim Cook and Apple must make their own foundry fab

 

[kaycrystal626]

Didn't the media forecast invasion likelihood by 2026?

 

[Populus]

For several years, I knew this time would come. Let’s just hope that this doesn’t mean WWIII because then, it won’t matter if we have the M5 Mac or the A20 iPhone…

Now, I think it’s definitely the time to buy the devices we are going to need for the foreseeable future. Not only because of the potential invasion of Taiwan, but also because of the situation with NAND chips and RAM memory… not to talk about inflation.

So yeah, as soon as the M5 Mac mini is released, I’m grabbing a full spec one. And I should buy an iPhone 17 but… my iPhone SE 3 works too well to replace it, honestly. Same for my M2 iPad Pro.

 

[A.Goldberg]

I remember one report, about China’s navy, was that most of their ships are really just fishing vessels.

China has more navy vessels now than the U.S. but the total gross tonnage of the U.S. fleet is larger. Most of China’s naval fleet is designed for territorial defense and not blue water activity. The alarming thing however is the rate at which China can manufacture ships like building 8-10 destroyers per year while we struggle to build 2.

The fishing vessels are not counted in the navy figures but are effectively a paramilitary. These have been used to dispute territorial waters and block out other fishing vessels. Many of these boats unnecessarily have reinforced hulls. In a war they would probably harass commercial traffic and provide surveillance more than anything.

 

[AND411]

I don’t doubt that China would like to have control over Taiwan, that being said, why would control over Taiwan suddenly mean TSMC would no longer make chips for US companies when mainland China makes the vast majority of US technologies?

China likes having the world as its customer, what makes control over Taiwan different?

It's quite simple: TSMC's advanced technology must not fall into the hands of mainland Chinese, including ASML's lithography machines from the Netherlands.

 

[Ursadorable]

China has been saying for years they want to re-integrate Taiwan back into their communist grip. This is hardly a surprise.

The fact that they've been ramping up active military drills around Taiwan, and invading Taiwan's airspace, should bring some clarity to the question in China's interests in the region. Taiwan does not want to be part of communist China, and one could hardly blame them. Look what happened with Hong Kong once China got their hands on it. Freedom of speech was replaced by prison sentences for those that speak out. Property rights were gone overnight.

The world needs to protect Taiwan, especially considering they are at the heart of high density chip manufacturing.

 

[ricketysquire]

Can we make the stuff here, why do be disparage real work in this country? We can't all be developers and middle managers? We need real jobs, making real things. An economy based solely on bureaucracy and abstractions is due to collapse when the reality that keeps it sustained disappears.

 

[unobtainium]

Getting the US fair trade is communism ??

This new victim mentality from the US on trade is quite funny. The US has spent decades bullying the entire world into open markets and free trade, even killing millions of people in the process in the Middle East, Latin America, and Asia. But now suddenly free trade is bad for the US because factories closed (even though free trade is how the American oligarchy got rich in the first place) and now it’s time to bully the world again… fascinating.

 

[Populus]

(…) why would control over Taiwan suddenly mean TSMC would no longer make chips for US companies when mainland China makes the vast majority of US technologies?

China likes having the world as its customer, what makes control over Taiwan different?

Well, it’s been speculated that Taiwan government doesn’t want China to get their hands on their most valuable asset, TSMC, so it’s likely they have a plan to destroy all the chip manufacturing plants as soon as China initiates an attack they cannot repeal.

 

[It’s always something]

Can we make the stuff here, why do be disparage real work in this country?

We can’t make what TSMC does. In fact, no one else can.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

We can’t make what TSMC does. In fact, no one else can.

Same with the lithography machines from ASML.

 

[unobtainium]

Probably not today, based on China current events. The top two generals have been disappeared by Xi, and the number 3 general died shortly after the top two generals went missing.

The CCP government has still to come out publicly in favor of Xi’s actions, which means there is an internal struggle over how to handle these events.

These 2 generals were the last two with actual combat experience from the Sino-Vietnam War from the late 80s, so you now have a military led by people without actual combat experience.

Stories are coming out, of questionable origin, saying military corruption like seen in the Russian army has missiles with water instead of rocket fuel due to corruption as an example. Whether this is true or not I don’t know. It’s hard to know which news outlets are actual news vs propaganda, and I don’t know of any place that lists out China outlets on basis of accuracy.

Could be preparation, the long game. But yeah not tomorrow.

 

[DocMultimedia]

Did the CIA warn him that Trump's Army might attack America?

 

[The_Gream]

China has more navy vessels now than the U.S. but the total gross tonnage of the U.S. fleet is larger. Most of China’s naval fleet is designed for territorial defense and not blue water activity. The alarming thing however is the rate at which China can manufacture ships like building 8-10 destroyers per year while we struggle to build 2.

The fishing vessels are not counted in the navy figures but are effectively a paramilitary. These have been used to dispute territorial waters and block out other fishing vessels. Many of these boats unnecessarily have reinforced hulls. In a war they would probably harass commercial traffic and provide surveillance more than anything.

Thanks. Though, those fishing boats would probably end up just being easy targets for our bigger guns.

Also, China’s track record for building things that last isn’t that good when it comes to large projects. Just cause you can churn out 8 destroyers doesn’t really mean anything if the process to making them is flawed or a couple good Tomahawks wreck your whole dry dock. Quality control would be horrible.


I say that, but sadly the quality control of a lot of the recent US ships (military assets) has been crap too.

 

[paulvee]

Typical weak leadership from Biden. He was going to pay 50 billion while Trump forced the tech companies to do it themselves with tariffs. Now that's strong leadership!

Keep drinking that Kool Aid. Trump is a weak, greedy, dumb man.

 

[The_Gream]

Same with the lithography machines from ASML.

At least ASML is tucked away in a European nation with lots of bigger nations around it to dampen any potential threat.

 

[ELman]

I doubt China will attack Taiwan while Trump is in office. They will wait for the next Democrat.