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I think this looks great and can't wait to see what apple can come up with
 
Yeah but they weren't the iPod or the iPhone - the best and most popular in class.

Um, you make no sense. Before the iPod there were devices from Creative which dominated the MP3 player market. The iPod came in and was ONLY compatible with Macintosh Computers. ONLY ONLY ONLY! And yet, totally transformed the industry even though ONLY people who owned macs could make use of the iPod. It took almost an entire year before there were windows compatible iPods.

Before the iPhone there were blackberry, and many other cell phones which seemed to do things fairly well for everyone.

There's things out there like the kindle, nook, and many other e-readers of today.

Apple doesn't participate in price-wars nor competitor timelines. Apple stays focused on their products, their timelines, and their vision for products. This is what separates them from the others. They have vision, they're not just trying to make money. They would rather keep a product in development for year after year and get it right rather then put it out because their worried about the competitor's products.

Apple's approach to making money is way riskier and extremely arrogant. But yet, I believe that a majority of the people on this forum are glad that there is at least one company out there willing to risk everything to get things as close to "right" as they believe things should be.

I believe the AppleTV could have redefined the industry as well. I believe that the greed of the current distributions are reluctant to give Apple the contracts for the content as they do with netflix and Hulu, etc. If Apple could get the contracts for the content, the AppleTV would have taken over as well.
 
It's a decent mockup, but I don't quite get the point of these digitized magazines. How are they any different from a well-designed website like Espn.com or NYT.com? Why would I pay another $30 a year for something I get free everyday RIGHT NOW?

And how will this content be distributed? Live, like the Web or is this something you'd have to download separately? If it has a lot of video content, I can see these needing a lot of bandwidth.

I completely agree.

I haven't read one person on any one website/forum that can describe what the difference this tablet will provide that we don't already get for free on websites.

Websites, depending on how well someone produces it, can provide rich and immersive data/content. Question: So how is a tablet different?



**spoiler**

Answer = it's not.
 
I completely agree.

I haven't ready one person on any one website/forum that can describe what the difference this tablet will provide that we don't already get for free on websites.

Websites, depending on how well someone produces it, can provide rich and immersive data/content. Question: So how is a tablet different?



**spoiler**

Answer = it's not.


Well, think about what you're saying. Publishers (websites) have been wondering how to really capitalize on the "internet" for many many years. Once publishers find a model to where they can actually make money from then they might start restricting their online content even more so than before. Giving basic information and basic coverage, but if you want the indepth coverage you would have to go over to their paid area, where you would probably get a subscription to the tablet releases of their publications and also a login online to get the full coverage through the browser too. They might also offer opportunities to get the print versions of their products as well depending on your subscription plan. Once they have you paying "something", then that's way better for them then "nothing" like now.
 
The "Apple" factor

Kindle and Nook already exist and are starting to do the job that Apple wants to get in on.
actually, no, they don't come close to what Apple wants to get in on. Can you imagine doing something like what is demoed here on a Kindle? The goal with the Kindle was to make an e-reader as close to a book as possible. That's not at all the goal of the mocked-up device and software in this article.
looks great, but how much reading do i really want to do on a bright lcd or oled?.. you'd destroy your eyes trying to read loads of text on a screen like that,
You mean, like the computer you likely spend a lot of your day on and used to write that comment? I don't know about you, but since getting an ipod touch after they were introduced, it has become my newspaper. I do quite a lot of reading on it, much more casual reading than I would ever do on my laptop.

The "Apple factor" is the ability to enter a pre-existing market and change the way people perceive it. Textbook manufacturers have largely failed with their e-book versions of textbooks because: (a) they do nothing different with the book than make it electronic, and (b) they try and screw over the customer as best as possible. If a student is going to purchase a textbook they want to do two things with it: either (a) use it for a semester and sell it back, or (b) keep it as a resource indefinitely for a career they're likely to go into. You can do neither of those things in any reasonable way with the current model. The "Apple factor" may finally get publishers to see the vision of what's possible with a more multi-media-enabled tool. They might actually start planning for that tool instead of doing the same old thing in a new environment. This mock-up is a good example of that vision.

As an educator, I would be all over a multi-media enabled content device in which publishers made products similar to this mock-up.
 
Yes, except the majority of people don't really read much any longer.

The consume multimedia: text, photos, video, charts, graphs, flash, interactive.

Reading will exist in books and in a few paper holdouts, and probably in a hybrid format on these tablet. But reading is not the future; it's multimedia.

There is something to this observation that is certainly correct, but if we don't read we don't learn that much.

Last I checked people still want to learn things. Graphs and flash don't really help us learn like text does.

I'd like the think the design-heads who might want it to be glossy at the risk of making substance an after thought will be reigned in, to ensure that in fact plenty of detailed, serious reading is do-able on the tablet.
 
actually, no, they don't come close to what Apple wants to get in on. Can you imagine doing something like what is demoed here on a Kindle? The goal with the Kindle was to make an e-reader as close to a book as possible. That's not at all the goal of the mocked-up device and software in this article.

You mean, like the computer you likely spend a lot of your day on and used to write that comment? I don't know about you, but since getting an ipod touch after they were introduced, it has become my newspaper. I do quite a lot of reading on it, much more casual reading than I would ever do on my laptop.

The "Apple factor" is the ability to enter a pre-existing market and change the way people perceive it. Textbook manufacturers have largely failed with their e-book versions of textbooks because: (a) they do nothing different with the book than make it electronic, and (b) they try and screw over the customer as best as possible. If a student is going to purchase a textbook they want to do two things with it: either (a) use it for a semester and sell it back, or (b) keep it as a resource indefinitely for a career they're likely to go into. You can do neither of those things in any reasonable way with the current model. The "Apple factor" may finally get publishers to see the vision of what's possible with a more multi-media-enabled tool. They might actually start planning for that tool instead of doing the same old thing in a new environment. This mock-up is a good example of that vision.

As an educator, I would be all over a multi-media enabled content device in which publishers made products similar to this mock-up.

I agree. First off, Kindle and Nook are too limited--they're one-stunt ponies. That doesn't mean they aren't good at what they do, only that it's the only stunt they know. The iPod Touch already goes way beyond either of them, it just doesn't have the screen size to truly replace the 'book' format.

On the other hand, as you say, the iPod Touch (and my iPhone) make reading on the go much easier. At the moment, I have some 30 books in Stanza on my iPhone and have read several of them all the way through. To me, reading text in 'reverse colors' is significantly easier on the eyes and I could modify them farther to use either green or amber text rather than white, making it even better on the eyes. By bringing the screen up to book or magazine size, the iPadd would make a near-perfect ebook/emagazine reader while also providing access to all the software currently available to the iPod Touch/iPhone crowd.

Maybe, just maybe, it would go so far as to improve compatibility with desktop/laptop computers and give you the ability to view and edit documents/photos/graphics at a basic level. It may not run a full version of OS X, but if it included mobile versions of iWork and iLife, it could reduce your reliance on the full-powered machines and perhaps even replace laptops as we know them. Certainly it could wipe out the demand for current so-called 'netbooks' which are simply compact, sub-notebook computers that still have to be used like notebooks, but given enough power and the software to support it, notebooks themselves could fall under threat to this device, making it the portable of choice due to size and usability.

Then think farther ahead. What if you tied this thing to a Mac Mini, giving the Mini a compact display/external hard drive capability. Now you've got both a portable device and a desktop computer for about the cost of an average iMac. Or--give the thing a dedicated docking device that provides iMac-like capability as a desktop while still retaining the portability of the iPadd. This thing could go in so many directions!
 
I always get a little bit of a laugh when I see posts about how Apple didn't invent the MP3, smart phone, and now here, the tablet. For those posters: Everyone knows, or at least nearly everyone.

So a tablet. No, Apple didn't invent the tablet......

Of course not. It's been around forever. And note that it uses a stylus! Non-glossy! Graphical user interface! Perfect size for pockets and pouches! Draw just like Wacom! Cool rounded edges and unibody construction! Does word, spreadsheets, illustration, even presentations (take that, Marx55). Long battery life. And it's dirt cheap!

http://keidahl.terranhost.com/Fall/WOH1012/Images/CuneiformTablet.jpg
 
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this is like the 97th thread by Macrumors this year about an Apple tablet (which has been rumored for about 10 years).

As someone mentioned, and hence one of the major reasons why tablets in general have failed to be adopted, the screen would burn your eyes out. A lot of us (me) have spent the last 20 years looking at all sorts of computer displays (monitors, cell phones, car dashboards, etc.) and to use these devices to READ non-stop for hours (such as a book or big magazine) would totally mess with your eyes. I can't read articles much longer than 15 minutes online because of the eye strain (and I have perfect vision)...I print them out.

That being said, I think there also has been a shortage of viable use cases for tablets. Afterall, they've been around for over a decade yet nobody adopts them. Sure, they *can* be great book-replacements if the screens are gentle on the eyes. But that's the only application (other than you believing every hospital is going to run out and buy tablets and pretend they're on Star Trek...I sell software to hospitals...this table transition alone would take 10+ years for a full rollout at even the smallest of hospitals or centers due to security, cost, training, HIPPA, user retaliation, infrastructure, and more reasons). There are also fears of copyright control such as who owns the "content"...every bookworm I know holds onto the book forever. Tablet users are not going to adopt tablets if their $15 "e-book" is only owned by the consumer for 90 days or some limited time period. Even if it was $1. And what happens when your tablet dies? And how often you have to charge it. And who controls WHERE you can buy an e-book? And what about Tech Support calls when your tablet locks up on page 135 of your e-book? And now customers are forced to attach the tablet to a computer to "download"/buy an e-book? And what about worrying about buying a new, cooler tablet every 3-5 years? All this headache/worrying to read a story?...I don't think so. You might think I'm stirring up some FUD but these points have been brought up time and time again and here we are approaching 2010 still without a product and system with consumers drooling at the mouths waiting for its arrival.

I think Apple can probably come up with a sexy design...but it's a huge huge huge uphill battle for tablets in general as they fight copyright issues, user interface issues, eye strain, etc.

-Eric
 
oh i am so looking forward to this tablet.

i been to japan and seen their vaio X, and immediately, i know that apple will be as thin as light, long battery life and totally awesome.

i think it will cost 1000-1200 US dollars, similar to vaio X.
 
Already wrote about this

I already wrote about this in blog entry from earlier this morning here.

Why are people going to buy a tablet? Because it's cheaper than a new iMac and really most people don't need horsepower anymore. Everything is going mobile and for good reason. Combine this with Squareup from the founder of Twitter, and you have mobile cash registers - great for fundraising and enterprising businesses.

It's all about the interface. I couldn't live very well without my iPhone now and I do all kinds of social media for a living. The new tablet is going to be a must have for families on a budget. Heck, if the price point is low enough, why buy a $1500 iMac and set up accounts and the nightmares that come with sharing computer in your family when you can get perhaps 2 tablets for your kids and let them have at it?

WiFi will be fine, and the only place that I've had 3G problems is NYC. Plus, let's face it, it's too much like Star Trek to not be successful. Everyone remember how cell phones came from there? It will be the same...
 
For anyone interested I asked the online editor of the Irish Times what they thought of the rumored tablet and this was their response:

The Irish Times is already available on Kindle, and the digital edition of the newspaper is also available through PressReader, which has launched an iPhone app of its service ( see http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/1...app-beats-apple-to-newspaper-subs/#more-47778 ).

As for the expected tablet, we'll adopt a wait and see approach. As a medium-sized newspaper operating in a small country, we have to be judicious as to how we apply our limited development resources.

Best Wishes,

Hugh

Hugh Linehan
Online Editor
The Irish Times
24 - 28 Tara St
Dublin 2
Ireland
 
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this is like the 97th thread by Macrumors this year about an Apple tablet (which has been rumored for about 10 years).

As someone mentioned, and hence one of the major reasons why tablets in general have failed to be adopted, the screen would burn your eyes out. A lot of us (me) have spent the last 20 years looking at all sorts of computer displays (monitors, cell phones, car dashboards, etc.) and to use these devices to READ non-stop for hours (such as a book or big magazine) would totally mess with your eyes. I can't read articles much longer than 15 minutes online because of the eye strain (and I have perfect vision)...I print them out.

That being said, I think there also has been a shortage of viable use cases for tablets. Afterall, they've been around for over a decade yet nobody adopts them.

And that of course precludes anybody from coming up with a better, more versatile and useful tablet?

Sure, they *can* be great book-replacements if the screens are gentle on the eyes. But that's the only application (other than you believing every hospital is going to run out and buy tablets and pretend they're on Star Trek...I sell software to hospitals...this table transition alone would take 10+ years for a full rollout at even the smallest of hospitals or centers due to security, cost, training, HIPPA, user retaliation, infrastructure, and more reasons). There are also fears of copyright control such as who owns the "content"...every bookworm I know holds onto the book forever. Tablet users are not going to adopt tablets if their $15 "e-book" is only owned by the consumer for 90 days or some limited time period. Even if it was $1. And what happens when your tablet dies? And how often you have to charge it. And who controls WHERE you can buy an e-book? And what about Tech Support calls when your tablet locks up on page 135 of your e-book? And now customers are forced to attach the tablet to a computer to "download"/buy an e-book? And what about worrying about buying a new, cooler tablet every 3-5 years? All this headache/worrying to read a story?...I don't think so. You might think I'm stirring up some FUD but these points have been brought up time and time again and here we are approaching 2010 still without a product and system with consumers drooling at the mouths waiting for its arrival.

I think Apple can probably come up with a sexy design...but it's a huge huge huge uphill battle for tablets in general as they fight copyright issues, user interface issues, eye strain, etc.

-Eric

Well, you called it--this is pretty much FUD. Talk about straw dogs. What happens when your tablet dies? Plug it in. Restart. Tech support because your screen freezes? Escape, restart. Forced to attach to a computer? Says who? The cost of downloading a book? Worrying about buying a cooler tablet in 3-5 years? Seriously?

No, the screen won't burn your eyes out. That IS FUD. Change the resolution, adjust the brightness and contrast, use whatever zoom is comfortable (try that with a book). And sitting at your desk staring at a monitor is not the same as holding a tablet in your hands like a magazine, or on the table at whatever angle.
 
Well, you called it--this is pretty much FUD. Talk about straw dogs. What happens when your tablet dies? Plug it in. Restart. Tech support because your screen freezes? Escape, restart. Forced to attach to a computer? Says who? The cost of downloading a book? Worrying about buying a cooler tablet in 3-5 years? Seriously?

1)How do you define "die"? I didn't say the battery died...I said what if the tablet died...as if, like all machines, it just no longer works one day. The implications are huge: purchasing another tablet, getting all your e-books back (is there a fee?), possibly setting up new e-book accounts with retailers, etc. None of this has been talked about much yet obviously it's got the potential to be a multi-billion dollar/year industry...you think Amazon and other retailers are going to want to monopolize it? Your bet your butt they will want to.

2)Tech Support is a REAL topic. You're telling me that the consumer simply restarts it. Yeah. Right. That's because you know everything and are designing said tablet. Do you even have any idea of what it is like to design software, firmware, or hardware? Sheeeez. Maybe your answer will work 1% of the time, maybe 50%. But don't con me into believing it's as simple as a reboot (just like you believe all Windows and Mac reboots fix every single computer problem known to mankind).

3)Costs about downloading a book... as you quote me out of context...it's not necessarily the cost of the e-book, it's how long you own it (physically and virtually) and what happens if your tablet is smashed or stolen or dies (see point 1). What happens if you want to give your e-book to your brother? etc. It's all about ownership kiddo.

4)Attaching the tablet to a computer...yup. Since we don't have a real definition of a tablet yet (at least for e-book specialties), how is mom and dad gonna get their books on the tablet? Not everyone has wireless at home. So you're gonna likely have to physically hook up the tablet to a computer (and use the computer to download...ring any bells? iTunes anyone?) or connect to a router. Or...the tablet ships with a wireless card (again, if you have wireless at home) and/or a way to connect to the online store such as cell phone service. Lastly, I guess you could buy the e-book on a small chip at the store...I have a feeling that will never happen. Am I saying that 100% of all tablets will 100% need to connect to a computer to get content? No. But my money says there is a very good chance. And what's the problem with this?...it's a pain in the neck for someone who just wants to read a book.

No, the screen won't burn your eyes out. That IS FUD. Change the resolution, adjust the brightness and contrast, use whatever zoom is comfortable (try that with a book). And sitting at your desk staring at a monitor is not the same as holding a tablet in your hands like a magazine, or on the table at whatever angle.

Again, you seem to claim that said tablet is going to have all the display options that a computer system has (bit depth, contrast, resolution, fonts, etc). Get real. This tablet technology is supposed to be easy...real easy to use and enjoy. I dare you to sit at your desk for 2+ hours and read, non-stop, a book on the monitor/display of your choice (not a magazine with pretty pictures and advertisements)...a pure black text/white-ish background just like in a physical book (I'll even let you choose ANY color scheme you want)...and repeat this process every day until you are done reading 15 200+page books...pick any books you want.


You obviously have no clue about introducing a product (tablet) to the world such as a technology designed to replace physical books: current copyrights, current distribution/sales channels, ownership, and user adoption are gigantic topics/concerns for everyone.

My posts on this thread have mainly revolved around using a table for e-books...tablets can have other uses (yet I have not heard of much other than an e-book reader and a thingamajig for doctors to write up your chart at the hospital). Again, ingest all these points and you have the reason(s) why in very late 2009 the world has a .0000001% tablet adoption rate.
 
I would buy this.

I would buy this.

And I would BUY/Subscribe to content like this through iTunes.
eBooks, Audiobooks, Magazines, eMagazines, mixed-media-content...Newspapers... NYTimes crossword puzzle! And all the APPS too!

That would be awesome.

A lighter footprint than a laptop.

Yah, I want that. Bring it.
 
Exactly what I was thinking, it all just seems so strange.. And it's clearly targeted at the rumoured Apple tablet rather than any other device.


I don't see why this would be limited to the Apple Tablet. I think it would work fine on my Gateway tablet .


So, if Apple doesn't release a Tablet, Time magazine can still use this concept on other devices.
 
Would this need Flash to run those things? And presumably it would run Safari. ANd they couldn't get away with it NOT having Flash, which then makes the lack of flash in the iPhone pretty dire in comparison.
 
First of all, I went to see a ebook reader at a Sony store and let me tell you... it's nice and all, the screen is black and white and easy on the eyes, BUT. I will not pay for that device. It will only let me read books??? and it cost more or less as an iPod Touch that do more than that???

If Apple will sell a digital tablet just for magazines, comics and books I will never buy it. give me a tablet computer and I will be first in line. I'm just saying.
 
If a magazine interactive layout runs this smoothly on an underpowered tablet, why didn't they make it so for the web already? I know, no touch screens in most people's homes, but still…

If this tablet in fact is real and publishers are ready for it, Apple may offer easy to use software to perform the design & layout for both print and screen, in effect trespassing on Adobe's turf. Can't wait to see that happen!
 
Would this need Flash to run those things? And presumably it would run Safari. ANd they couldn't get away with it NOT having Flash, which then makes the lack of flash in the iPhone pretty dire in comparison.

Maybe this is why Apple hasn't adopted Flash for the iPhone, so that it wouldn't bite into the market for the future tablet? :confused:
 
Would this need Flash to run those things? And presumably it would run Safari. ANd they couldn't get away with it NOT having Flash, which then makes the lack of flash in the iPhone pretty dire in comparison.

None of those things need Flash. HTML 5 support and javascript is all it needs. No wonder Safari is the leading browser in HTML 5 support.
 
1)How do you define "die"? I didn't say the battery died...I said what if the tablet died...

Not to beat this to death, but all you've done is re-state the FUD. You're fearful of things that will all be worked out to the satisfaction of the majority of users. YOU don't know, so you say it's going to be problem. I'm saying it won't be. All this is not going to be so difficult. And you will still be able to go to your bookstore and get a hard copy book if you really want one.

Do you worry about your computer dying? The issues are by and large exactly the same. You have digital information that you've either purchased, licensed or created, there will be backup and restoration procedures that normal people follow.

Tech support: do you get tech support in the middle of the night on your computer now? Is that a problem for you? And, for your information, it has been Suggestion #1 for decades for tech support to have people restart their computers when attempting to diagnose problems. It is the first thing to try, no matter what the platform.

Costs: I did not quote out of context. You're worried about the cost of an e-book. The cost and DRM of e-books is already in the public domain. It's just a question of what Apple chooses; it is not to be feared.

Attaching to a computer: You're worried about how mom and dad are going to download e-books? Have you heard about wireless, USB cables, etc.? Are seniors who have never used a computer likely to be the target market?

Viewing the book: Did you even read what I wrote? Sitting at your desk viewing a desktop monitor is not how most people will use this product. You don't know what the visual parameters will be so you imagine all sorts of problems. I imagine solutions. I'll be closer to correct than you will. People (including me) read and write all day on their computers right now (even with the new-fangled pretty pictures and advertisements and everything, dagnabbit).

Introducing a product: Thanks for the gratuitous slam. Actually I'm cognizant of the issues. These are corporate issues, not consumer issues, and no different than implementing/introducing licensed software or controlled content on any device, corporate, consumer or medical. Most will be transparent to the user.

.0000001% Tablet Adoption Rate: Yeah, and the fountain pen had a miniscule share compared to pencils, and in 1970 Honda only sold about 12 cars here. Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.

The rest of us are ready for the ride, whatever bumps may come; you seem to have a black cloud hovering. Sorry for you.
 
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