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Time Machine Now Works with Airport Extreme USB Drives
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Gimme a break. The threads are about similar topics and many people never visit the forums, only writing in frontpage threads. How about you stay topical?
Yes you may be correct. I did not partition the first time around using GUID. Tonight I reformatted with extended journaled and am trying the GUID partition trick. All seems to be working somewhat better and somewhat faster 2-4MB/s via wifi. And have had no server interruptions or internet dropouts. :crossing fingers:
I am still not yet convinced that my drive will mount when the subsequent backups are scheduled to occur. Apple has done something to these updates because before my external drive connected via airdisk would mount automatically. Odd.
btw...I also set a disk password via Airport Utlity versus the alternatives.
for what its worth, i know somebody that works for apple as a manager in applecare, and according to him apple plans to announce TM working over AirDisk soon. just thought I'd throw that out there since some people seem to believe that it may just be a bug, since it has not been announced yet.
Regarding AEBS and TM problems, I had problems getting it to work first but after a reboot of my MBP, a reformat of the LaCie 500GB and a new inital sync (but this time over Ethernet) it works fine. I did also interrupt the intital sync a couple of times but it seems ok.
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Well, I can't get this to work.
Installed all updates, formatted my USB WD 250Gb to GUID, connected it to my AE, but it still doesn't show up in my Airport Utility or Time Machine Preferences, although Finder does see the USB-WD connected to my AE. Heck, I can even transfer files to it, but TM won't see it.
Any work-around for this?
Installed all updates, formatted my USB WD 250Gb to GUID, connected it to my AE, but it still doesn't show up in my Airport Utility or Time Machine Preferences, although Finder does see the USB-WD connected to my AE. Heck, I can even transfer files to it, but TM won't see it.
Any work-around for this?
i have an airport extreme and everything!!
but is it worth spending $130 on leopard?
just for time machine and the other updates
but is it worth spending $130 on leopard?
just for time machine and the other updates
i have an airport extreme and everything!!
but is it worth spending $130 on leopard?
just for time machine and the other updates
It's your call.
-> http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/
time machine is a misleading product. one asumes it can allow you to travel backwards and forwards in time but it can only propell you forwards.
i have an airport extreme and everything!!
but is it worth spending $130 on leopard?
just for time machine and the other updates
Yes. For me, it's worth it just for Time Machine, Quicklook, and Stacks.
i have an airport extreme and everything!!
but is it worth spending $130 on leopard?
just for time machine and the other updates
You'll get USB 1.1 performance from even the newest Airport Extreme. Apple built the unit with the slowest USB processor available. Although it shows up as USB 2.x, all benchmarks will reveal 1.1 speeds. But do your own testing.
This sort of post usually gets bounced on this never-knock-apple forum, so maybe you'll get lucky and read it before the little forum monitors move it to hidden the bad-attitude section
Man, looking through your post history I think maybe your attitude has more to do with your posts going into the bad-attitude section than the subject of them.
I was thinking the same thing.
Aceducy, maybe insulting the moderators and slinging vitriol is more your problem than a policy of defending Apple. Having been here more than 6 months helps give you a little perspective on this website, which contains a range of opinions.
I'm more concerned about Leopard only software in the future than the new features of Leopard, which aren't that noticeable to me thus far in testing (I put Leopard on a separate partition on my PowerMac). Leopard doesn't like this ancient Rage 128 I've been forced to use temporarily when my Radeon 9700 Pro died whereas Tiger does quite well with it (100 in Tiger versus 11 User Interface scores; not a small difference in 'feel' there).
As for Time Machine, I don't like it. Other than looking neat and being easy to use for brainless people, it offers little in the way of configurability. Maybe I don't want the computer doing backups every flipping hour. What if I'm in the middle of doing something CPU or hard drive sensitive like playing a 3D game or editing music and Time Machine kicks in and starts hogging the hard drive reading or something? I mean most backup software defaults to back up in the middle of the night for a REASON (and most let you tell it WHEN and HOW OFTEN it can back up). I've got a PowerMac with 2 internal 500Gig drives (no I don't want a mess on my desk when I can fit 3-5 drives inside this thing and be out of the way) so no, unplugging an external drive is not an option. How about offering an advanced mode, Apple?
Personally, I use Carbon Copy Clone. It's donation ware. That means you can try it out for free uncrippled. Not only can it do incremental backups on a schedule you can set up yourself when it works for YOU (or backup manually when you tell it to if you like), but it makes BOOTABLE backups!!! If my primary hard drive dies, I can take it out and in the mean time switch over to booting from my backup drive and continue on like nothing happened. And when I get a replacement drive for the bad one, I just clone it back over to it and either use that one as the backup or primary (it doesn't matter since they're really identical at that point). Unlike Linux or Windows, MacOSX is smart enough to boot off either drive and continue on like it's the same drive. It makes no difference to the OS which one you use (and seeing as both are internal identical drives both connected to the same Sata card, they're both identical in performance as well so it really doesn't matter). If I need to retrieve a file I accidentally just erased, I can get it off the backup drive (you can also set CCC to not delete files place only on the backup drive so you can use it for other things and/or only sync them identical on a manual run while letting incremental backups only back up new or changed data). You can also set it to only back up data you want to back up or vice versa. In other words, other than the pretty yet dumbed down interface, CCC blows the doors off Time Machine. AND you can use it with Tiger too, not just Leopard.
While I don't personally have an Apple Airport Extreme with a USB drive attached (too slow for my tastes), I see no reason why Carbon Copy Cloner wouldn't work with it, even under Tiger. It's just another drive to it.
My problem with Leopard so far is that it appears to be still very buggy (crashes more often, IMO and has had problems with many things like WiFi for some people), slower (on many computers, especially the user interface at least), makes trivial yet forced GUI changes that have annoyed many people (you shouldn't have to go to a shell just to get a 2D dock, IMO; Apple needs to make more use of their "Appearance" preference manager (Unified does not have to equal everyone's Mac LOOKS exactly the same; just unified through THEME would be fine and more fun) AND Leopard has a MUCH larger memory footprint than Tiger (512MB MINIMUM versus 128MB Min).
If Leopard really was FASTER than Tiger, they wouldn't have artificially capped it from running on older/slower CPUs. This PowerMac when it had dual 533 G4s ran just fine under Tiger, but ran like a DOG under Leopard, even with a 9700Pro. Now it has a Sata interface and drives (tests at 75MB/sec), a 7448 1.8GHz G4 and 1.5GB of CL2 ram and it STILL runs like a DOG on the same machine with this old Rage 128 in there (9700 Pro died, as I mentioned; I need to get another card soon) yet Tiger ran OK before and runs like lightning now even with the Rage 128.
So what I'm saying is that Leopard hasn't really impressed me very much thus far. I think I'll be keeping this Tiger partition around for some time to come.
As for Time Machine, I don't like it. Other than looking neat and being easy to use for brainless people, it offers little in the way of configurability. Maybe I don't want the computer doing backups every flipping hour. What if I'm in the middle of doing something CPU or hard drive sensitive like playing a 3D game or editing music and Time Machine kicks in and starts hogging the hard drive reading or something? I mean most backup software defaults to back up in the middle of the night for a REASON (and most let you tell it WHEN and HOW OFTEN it can back up). I've got a PowerMac with 2 internal 500Gig drives (no I don't want a mess on my desk when I can fit 3-5 drives inside this thing and be out of the way) so no, unplugging an external drive is not an option. How about offering an advanced mode, Apple?
Personally, I use Carbon Copy Clone. It's donation ware. That means you can try it out for free uncrippled. Not only can it do incremental backups on a schedule you can set up yourself when it works for YOU (or backup manually when you tell it to if you like), but it makes BOOTABLE backups!!! If my primary hard drive dies, I can take it out and in the mean time switch over to booting from my backup drive and continue on like nothing happened. And when I get a replacement drive for the bad one, I just clone it back over to it and either use that one as the backup or primary (it doesn't matter since they're really identical at that point). Unlike Linux or Windows, MacOSX is smart enough to boot off either drive and continue on like it's the same drive. It makes no difference to the OS which one you use (and seeing as both are internal identical drives both connected to the same Sata card, they're both identical in performance as well so it really doesn't matter). If I need to retrieve a file I accidentally just erased, I can get it off the backup drive (you can also set CCC to not delete files place only on the backup drive so you can use it for other things and/or only sync them identical on a manual run while letting incremental backups only back up new or changed data). You can also set it to only back up data you want to back up or vice versa. In other words, other than the pretty yet dumbed down interface, CCC blows the doors off Time Machine. AND you can use it with Tiger too, not just Leopard.
While I don't personally have an Apple Airport Extreme with a USB drive attached (too slow for my tastes), I see no reason why Carbon Copy Cloner wouldn't work with it, even under Tiger. It's just another drive to it.
My problem with Leopard so far is that it appears to be still very buggy (crashes more often, IMO and has had problems with many things like WiFi for some people), slower (on many computers, especially the user interface at least), makes trivial yet forced GUI changes that have annoyed many people (you shouldn't have to go to a shell just to get a 2D dock, IMO; Apple needs to make more use of their "Appearance" preference manager (Unified does not have to equal everyone's Mac LOOKS exactly the same; just unified through THEME would be fine and more fun) AND Leopard has a MUCH larger memory footprint than Tiger (512MB MINIMUM versus 128MB Min).
If Leopard really was FASTER than Tiger, they wouldn't have artificially capped it from running on older/slower CPUs. This PowerMac when it had dual 533 G4s ran just fine under Tiger, but ran like a DOG under Leopard, even with a 9700Pro. Now it has a Sata interface and drives (tests at 75MB/sec), a 7448 1.8GHz G4 and 1.5GB of CL2 ram and it STILL runs like a DOG on the same machine with this old Rage 128 in there (9700 Pro died, as I mentioned; I need to get another card soon) yet Tiger ran OK before and runs like lightning now even with the Rage 128.
So what I'm saying is that Leopard hasn't really impressed me very much thus far. I think I'll be keeping this Tiger partition around for some time to come.
Never end a sentence with a preposition. And if you ax me, I think my attitude has nothing to do with bad posts in the attitude bin but the good attitude but just ignorant in the bad attitude section of good post history of a sanitized web site in the wrong to of it. Or to do with.
And the Extreme's USB performance still sux, although the 802.11N is par none. If you guys want a NAS that has decent performance, then go get a true NAS box. Don't fool yourself into thinking the Extreme will work with disk IO just because it say's Apple on the logo [5000 good-attitude posts to support your purchase just won't make it any better]
Thank you
Control
Ditto - this was crucial. I formatted the drive on a machine with Tiger and when attached to the AEBS, Time Machine couldn't see it. I currently only have one Leopard machine, so I can't confirm whether multiple machines will be able to use the AirDisk for Time Machine.
Will I have to reformat my USB drive AGAIN?
I've been using this USB drive for time machine before getting the Airport express, but now that I have the latter, would like to do wireless backups. It wasn't clear to me from the posts in this forum whether I have to reformat even in this case, which would suck because I'd have to find temporary storage room for all the data. The drive doesn't appear in the finder, and is not visible to Time Machine at present.
Thanks in advance for any advice on this.
I've been using this USB drive for time machine before getting the Airport express, but now that I have the latter, would like to do wireless backups. It wasn't clear to me from the posts in this forum whether I have to reformat even in this case, which would suck because I'd have to find temporary storage room for all the data. The drive doesn't appear in the finder, and is not visible to Time Machine at present.
Thanks in advance for any advice on this.
That's because airport express doesn't support connected hard disks, only airport extreme does. Sorry, you're out of luck no matter what you do to that disk!
Wow, great thread and it touches on my current problem.
I just bought a MBP last week Friday, coming from PC. I have to say I love the Mac. Im still learning but it is so much easier than my PCs its not even funny.
Anyway, before I got my MBP I bought an AEBSn and a Drobo. I formatted the Drobo to HFS (Not HFS+) using MacDisk on my PC. I then plugged in the Drobo to my AEBSn and I was able to see the AirDisk no problems as well as RW to it.
I came home with my MBP and fired it up. Ran through the initial install and it also detected my Drobo as my AirDisk. However, it mounts my Drobo as a Shared instead of a Device.
Well, with that said, I can see the drive in Finder as a share, I can mount it on the desktop, I can RW to it from every machine in my house... however, it does not appear in my Time Machine.
So I plugged it directly into my MBP and fired up Drobo Dashboard to make sure everything looked ok and it did (even though its formatted to HFS). I started a TM backup and it worked fine. I stopped the backup, ejected the Drobo, then plugged it back into my AEBSn. AirDisk brought it back up and mounted to the desktop, however, it disapeared from my TM Properties.
I also tried to fire up Disk Utility to attempt to add a HFS+ partition without affecting my data that is already on there. However, Disk Utility gave me an error. Something about not being able to partition a drive that is not journaled.
So, do I need to move my data to another drive, then format this sucker to HFS+ GUID? Or is there a simple work around Im missing? I havent tried the change icon thing yet. But I did try something from page 3 or 4 of this thread that suggested opening up my Drobo in Finder and navigating to any folder, then open TM and it might be there... it wasnt there.
Anyway, thanks again all.
I just bought a MBP last week Friday, coming from PC. I have to say I love the Mac. Im still learning but it is so much easier than my PCs its not even funny.
Anyway, before I got my MBP I bought an AEBSn and a Drobo. I formatted the Drobo to HFS (Not HFS+) using MacDisk on my PC. I then plugged in the Drobo to my AEBSn and I was able to see the AirDisk no problems as well as RW to it.
I came home with my MBP and fired it up. Ran through the initial install and it also detected my Drobo as my AirDisk. However, it mounts my Drobo as a Shared instead of a Device.
Well, with that said, I can see the drive in Finder as a share, I can mount it on the desktop, I can RW to it from every machine in my house... however, it does not appear in my Time Machine.
So I plugged it directly into my MBP and fired up Drobo Dashboard to make sure everything looked ok and it did (even though its formatted to HFS). I started a TM backup and it worked fine. I stopped the backup, ejected the Drobo, then plugged it back into my AEBSn. AirDisk brought it back up and mounted to the desktop, however, it disapeared from my TM Properties.
I also tried to fire up Disk Utility to attempt to add a HFS+ partition without affecting my data that is already on there. However, Disk Utility gave me an error. Something about not being able to partition a drive that is not journaled.
So, do I need to move my data to another drive, then format this sucker to HFS+ GUID? Or is there a simple work around Im missing? I havent tried the change icon thing yet. But I did try something from page 3 or 4 of this thread that suggested opening up my Drobo in Finder and navigating to any folder, then open TM and it might be there... it wasnt there.
Anyway, thanks again all.