Would you knock it off already. First of all I was not responding to you in my original post so why should YOU even care. I guess you never heard of the Swype keyboard. I'm pretty sure you're the only person that was bothered by the misspelled words so what do you mean by "we" . A mistake was made so now plz move on. I'm not one of the kids that you are used to responding to so get back on topic or move on to something more to your liking.
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Time Magazine Names Steve Jobs Among 20 Most Influential Americans of All Time
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Would you knock it off already. First of all I was not responding to you in my original post so why should YOU even care. I guess you never heard of the Swype keyboard. I'm pretty sure you're the only person that was bothered by the misspelled words so what do you mean by "we" . A mistake was made so now plz move on. I'm not one of the kids that you are used to responding to so get back on topic or move on to something more to your liking.
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So Gates donates like 30B dollars to aid underprivileged people, and has vowed to donate ALL of his money to charity before he dies(could very possibly be in excess of 150B before it's all said and done, as he currently STILL has about 60B to his name and he's still fairly young) and yet he doesn't make the list?? But some hippy that did NOTHING to better humanity does?
Who cares that both of these men built multi-billion dollar companies?? What matters most is humanitarian practices, which Bill Gates will FAR surpass what any one individual has EVER done in their entire lives.
So Gates donates like 30B dollars to aid underprivileged people, and has vowed to donate ALL of his money to charity before he dies(could very possibly be in excess of 150B before it's all said and done, as he currently STILL has about 60B to his name and he's still fairly young) and yet he doesn't make the list?? But some hippy that did NOTHING to better humanity does?
Who cares that both of these men built multi-billion dollar companies?? What matters most is humanitarian practices, which Bill Gates will FAR surpass what any one individual has EVER done in their entire lives.
Also...
I'd ALSO like to know how Alexander Bell made the list of most influential "Americans" when he was born(AND raised) in Scotland and spent as much time in Canada than he did in New England??
I'd ALSO like to know how Alexander Bell made the list of most influential "Americans" when he was born(AND raised) in Scotland and spent as much time in Canada than he did in New England??
How is Steve Jobs worthy, and Bill Gates isn't? Bill Gates did/does alot more good for this world than Steve did.
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This.
I don't understand why people say " oh he just gives people money, he isn't really helping "
Bill Gates sees a charity, or people in need, or medical research with a lack of funds, or just people in need in general, or a cause that needs help.
So, there's monetary gain for Bill? Nope. He digs into his pockets, and hands out billions to those who need. it.
Who else gives away that kind of wealth? Steve Jobs sure didnt. In fact, Steve Jobs was an Elitist, he HATED the poor.
Why is there so much Bill Gates love? Even on a mac fourm?
Easy, its super easy to love a guy who's only care in the world at this point is helping people in need. By the time he's dead, he will have probably given away 100B billion ( yes, its totally possible, hes only in his 50s, still one of the richest men in the world, still rakes in cash, and super rich after giving away almost 30 billion dollars to the needy? ).
Its hard to hate Bill Gates after all the good he's done so far.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444840104577549391070706650.html
Oh hey! He's pledged 3.9 billion dollars in the past year alone to AIDS research.
Who did Steve ever help?
Bill Gates:
Gives billions to the poor, and yeah he isn't out in the trench's all the time, but I've followed the fondation over the years, and trust me. When he can, he gets invovled, gets his hands dirty, and pitch's in. In Addition to the billions given away every year.
What kind of guy gives away more money in a year to charity than some countries are worth? No matter how rich you are, I really do think it takes a HUGE heart, and a good mindset to do what he's doing.
Sorry, Bill Gates Deserves a spot on that chart, not Steve jobs. Not to mention bill gates built the most ground shaking OS of all time, its the OS that the majority of the computers in the world run on, Windows. I would say thats more of an accomplishment than making a tablet with 1 button.
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He can't hear you, he's dead. And wouldn't have given a **** about you or your opinion even if he were alive and could hear it.
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Couldn't agree more.
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You're absolutely right. Got a feeling the wording might've been changed as I'm sure that's not how it read when I posted my comment.
Then again, it was late...
You're absolutely right. Got a feeling the wording might've been changed as I'm sure that's not how it read when I posted my comment.
Then again, it was late...
Nah, I read it before you posted your comment and it always said that. I remember because when I first looked at the picture (before reading the article in full) I thought the exact same thing as you. Yes, our minds can play tricks on us when the hour is late.
What's more, when Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he stopped all donations to charities because he said "Apple's products will bring more good to humanity".
This is the essence of what I hate about Apple and Steve Jobs.
Why has this become a debate about who's the better person? This isn't the '20 Most Saintly Americans of All Time' list. It's wonderful what Bill has chosen to do with his wealth. He is an outstanding example to others, and it's right to recognise him for it. And hey, given the amount of people whose lives have been improved through his charity, maybe he should be on the list. But it's obvious why Steve was chosenbecause of his contribution to the computer industry primarily, but now also his influence on mobile phones, consumer devices, media consumption, etc.
Calling Windows 'the most ground shaking OS of all time' is just fanciful nonsense. Sorry, but it is. Were you around when Windows first came out? It was an absolute joke, and it took many years for it to slowly catch up to the Mac. Catch up it eventually did, but how is that 'ground shaking'? Its market dominance had nothing to do with how good the product was, and it brought nothing new to the table. Bill is a very, very successful business man, but like Steve has been quoted as saying, he isn't a very creative individual.
I don't disagree that they have had mixed results and took questionable steps to get there, but there have been dozens of organizations over the decades that have followed philanthropy "by the book" also with mixed results. Furthermore, several of the Foundation's programs have made significant positive impact. Millennium scholarships and strides toward a Malaria vaccine.
I didn't call that research. If you read what I said here is ONE short article. There are lots of others hence, the do research part. It isn't about mixed results it is about being self serving.
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I was and it was little more than Dosshell.
They may add him soon enough. The guy not only created one of the most successful companies in history, but he is also leading the charge in tackling global problems through his foundation.
It's not a who's "the greatest" list. And to those arguing for saint-status of Bill Gates, it's not a who's "the best bloke" list either It's a who's the most influential list. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but to try and dismiss the impact of Apple's products by comparing them to tail fins on cars is just silly. The Mac introduced consumers to a GUI and mouse. The impact of those things alone is phenomenal. (Of course Jobs didn't invent these thingsthat's not the point. No one person did. He simply recognised the potential, and forced his team of engineers to make it happen.) The Mac flipped a whole industry on its head (along with software companies like Aldus and Adobe) with the desktop publishing revolutionintroducing us to WYSIWYG type (another thing we all take for granted now) and the Apple LaserWriter printer.
If we skip ahead many years to these 'shiny toys' as you call them It's interesting to note yet again that Apple did not invent the music player, or the smart phone, or the tablet computer, and yet somehow it managed to succeed where others failed. Calling them shiny toys and glossing over all the professional uses for a momenteven as toys, you can't deny their impact. My own kids (ages 5 to 14) have used the iPad to compose and produce their own music. It's incredible what they're able to do on it, and without any tuition from adultsthey just pick it up and off they go. Multiply that by who knows how many other kids around the world. I probably sound like I'm just regurgitating Apple's own marketing here, but if you take a look you'll see it's true. These devices are influencing a whole generation of kids, providing a platform for thousands of developers, and influencing every other manufacturer of similar devices. And I haven't even discussed the iTunes store yet and the influence that has had on the music industry.
Debate the merits of all these things by all means and debate the role of other people besides Steve in developing these products but comparing them to 'tail fins'? Seriously?
Not the first to market with the GUI so not an introduction..
Not the first with WYSIWYG no introduction there..
The laserwriter was not the first to market so not really the first at desktop publishing.
Mr. Job's was d**k head who understood markets but more importantly he understood computers as user would because he was no more then that.
He just is not one of the 20 most influential Americans of all time period..
As much as I hate to say it, Kalsta's right.We can argue the merits and goodness of Steve Jobs all we want, what he did, what he didn't do, what he's contributed to society. It doesn't matter. What does is his current reputation, which is huge and well regarded. He's the golden calf darling of the tech industry. Regardless of his contributions to the humanities (or lack thereof), he was a helluva CEO, and most everyone in the industry looks up to him and the mini juggernaut of a company he built.
I don't think history is going to judge ole Steve too kindly, but right now, he's the post mortem man of the hour.
I don't think history is going to judge ole Steve too kindly, but right now, he's the post mortem man of the hour.
The Apple Lisa was before the Mac of course, but it was too expensive and flopped. If you're referring to the Xerox Star, it was very expensive and a commercial flop too. It's the Macintosh that got the word out there, and Jobs more than anyone else was the man behind the Mac. Jobs wanted to price it cheaply (which might surprise some people here), and although Sculley pushed the price up, it was still far more affordable than the others. Wikipedia calls the Mac 'the first commercially successful personal computer to feature a mouse and a graphical user interface'.
Okay, please educate me then, what other system before the Mac was being used for desktop publishing—with WYSIWYG type and art from screen to print? I've never claimed Jobs and Apple invented each component of the system. What they did was bring it all together in a way no one else was able to do. The Mac was foundational to the desktop publishing revolution. But feel free to try and prove that statement false.
These are things the Xerox Star was built to handle, and came out a few good years before the Mac and the Lisa.
Though, like you said, it was a commercial flop, it was the first GUI system with a WYSIWYG setup.
If the Mac was the only product Jobs ever had a hand in, then okay we might attribute more influence to people at Xerox, etc. But when you start to look at how many areas of influence the man had over his career that's when I find many of the views expressed here perplexing.
Do I respect Steve Jobs as a person? In a lot of ways, noit seems to me he generally placed progress before people, and that's not something I personally aspire to. But I can't deny that he achieved a hell of a lot in his short time heremore in one career than most of us would achieve if we had 20 lifetimes to do itand although we can only really speculate about this, I'd bet you my MacBook Pro that the world would be quite a different place now had Steve Jobs never existed. That's how I'm defining the word 'influence' anyway.
You could say that Xerox was the influence behind the influence. With them, we wouldn't have Macs or Windows machines as we know them now. Credit where credit is due.
As you can see from my quote above, I pretty much agree with you. I thought Steve was an absolute bastard, but I can't deny that he and Apple are responsible for bringing a ton of interesting technologies to the public at large. The Mac wasn't the first GUI based system, the iPhone wasn't the first touchscreen based phone, and the iPad wasn't the first tablet. But they were the easiest to use and best selling amongst their tech contemporaries (well, the iDevices were anyway, the Mac was more of an early start contender).
Like him or not, he has been an influential force in the industry.
In The states are Canadians considered American? Or just ppl from usa? Serious question
Okay, kinda confused by what you mean, but...
In the US, Canadians are Canadians, which are exactly like people from the US, but they have to have a passport, and aboot moose maple syrup.
When people in the US say "Americans", they are very rarely talking about the Americas (north/central/south continent). In part I'm sure because of ignorance, and in part because the context usually doesn't apply to rather culturally different people to the south. For example, as an American if I say "people in America are a bunch of geographical dunces" I'm not actually talking about Brazil.
I have spent time in a few Central American countries, namely Gautemala and Costa Rica, and in both countries they will refer to "The Americas" to mean the continent. But to them the name of our country is "Estados Unidos" (United States).
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say there are two factors besides ignorance that lead to us calling ourselves Americans (of a country, not a continent). First, we are the "United States of America". My state is WA (*high five BC*), so I am in one of those united states, but what is the name of the country? Well it wouldn't be a stretch for someone to assume that the country is then America. We are the United States of the country America. Wrong, but not an altogether hard thing to come up with grammatically. Second, I don't think we have a clean way of saying our nationality. People from Canada are Canadians. People from Mexicans. People from the United States of America are...? United Statians? US-ians? At to those two things the ignorance and laziness of "Americans" and you get what probably comes across as arrogance self centeredness, when it really isn't. We do have that too though
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Ignorance? Laziness? Nah. It's simple convenience. If you live in North America, you refer to the individual countries, America (called such because United States and United Statesian doesn't exactly roll off the tongue quite as easily), Mexico, or Canada. If you're referring to Mesoamerica or South America, you call them, appropriately enough, Meso or Middle America, or South America unless stating the specific name of a country there.
And why we call ourselves Americans is for the same reason I stated above. United Statesian is awkward as hell.
So if you're from the US or Canada, you refer to people from the US as Americans. If you're from Mexico, and are a particularly smart smartass like this one friend of mine is, you refer to US Americans as gringos from gringolandia.
And why we call ourselves Americans is for the same reason I stated above. United Statesian is awkward as hell.
So if you're from the US or Canada, you refer to people from the US as Americans. If you're from Mexico, and are a particularly smart smartass like this one friend of mine is, you refer to US Americans as gringos from gringolandia.