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Sorry Time but Tv had a much greater impact than an iPhone and still is, remove the TV from our lives, see what your life will be like!
Remove the TV from our lives, and people will watch TV on their iPhone.
 
At the same time plenty live without smartphones or mobile phones of any kind (and the vast majority of us lived like that about 20 or so years ago). Just to make that kind of a similar connection to being able to live without TV just fine.

Ah, but take into account the things I mentioned that a smartphone replaced or added.
Relatively few owned a GPS, now everyone has one... life is easier- getting where you're going.
Relatively few carried a camera/video camera with them everyday; now everyone has one... life is better- capturing amazing moments.
Relatively few carried around a laptop with a mobile hotspot literally at all times; because it was bulky, inappropriate, and prohibitively expensive; now everyone has access to the full internet at high speeds everywhere... life is better- more convenient, access to finances, etc.
I could go on & on but I don't have to- it's ridiculously clear that the positive impact of smartphones in raising quality of life for the populace exceeds that of the television... unless you think you can make me a matching list of all the ways tv fundamentally enriched lives beyond bringing news, sports, shows, & movies into their living rooms.
 
Ah, but take into account the things I mentioned that a smartphone replaced or added.
Relatively few owned a GPS, now everyone has one... life is easier- getting where you're going.
Relatively few carried a camera/video camera with them everyday; now everyone has one... life is better- capturing amazing moments.
Relatively few carried around a laptop with a mobile hotspot literally at all times; because it was bulky, inappropriate, and prohibitively expensive; now everyone has access to the full internet at high speeds everywhere... life is better- more convenient, access to finances, etc.
I could go on & on but I don't have to- it's ridiculously clear that the positive impact of smartphones in raising quality of life for the populace exceeds that of the television... unless you think you can make me a matching list of all the ways tv fundamentally enriched lives beyond bringing news, sports, shows, & movies into their living rooms.
I'm not really making an argument about one being more impactful than the other, I've been commenting on simply not discounting the impact of television as being meaningful and useful, or that we can live without it given that we can (and have) lived without smartphones or mobile phones (and most other gadgets on the list) for a long long time.
 
Dear children, who are apparently working at Time magazine:

Something that's only been around for ten years can hardly qualify as the "most" anything of all time, since we have yet to see how things play out over the long haul.

You know, like for longer than you've personally been self aware.
 
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Dear children, who are apparently working at Time magazine:

Something that's only been around for ten years can hardly qualify as the "most" anything of all time, since we have yet to see how things play out over the long haul.

You know, like for longer than you've personally been self aware.

No?

You should go out more often.

And see how many people are out there everywhere... looking at their iPhones.

And how the iPhone changed the world: social networks, tinder, uber, etc.

Because of Instagram, and people taking photos of pretty plates of food, serving beautifully arranged dishes is a priority for any restaurant that wants to be successful.

Instagram wouldn't be possible without the iPhone, and that change wouldn't have happened.
 
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Dear children, who are apparently working at Time magazine:

Something that's only been around for ten years can hardly qualify as the "most" anything of all time, since we have yet to see how things play out over the long haul.

You know, like for longer than you've personally been self aware.
Well, something like the Internet has been around for not that long but we could see how being able to access almost any information from wherever you are would be of great influence on our lives even after just a few years.
 
Now to back before there are personal computers , and TV was the only source of entertainment, how influential does it make it globally?

...unless you think you can make me a matching list of all the ways tv fundamentally enriched lives beyond bringing news, sports, shows, & movies into their living rooms.

Right. Lets eliminate and trivialize most (but not all) the things TV did for the world and then compare to an idealized picture of what smart phones do...

Ok, I'll bite:

Relatively few owned a GPS, now everyone has one... life is easier- getting where you're going.
Now, no one actually knows where sh-t is. They just blindly follow a voice from their phone. Heaven forbid you from actually know anything about this world you live in, just let that screen in your pocket tell you everything you need to know.

Relatively few carried a camera/video camera with them everyday; now everyone has one... life is better- capturing amazing moments.
Now, people are too busy taking pictures so they can post 1000 updates a day about what you ate for lunch and what little johnny looked like after his first banana cereal instead of actually living in the moment.

Relatively few carried around a laptop with a mobile hotspot literally at all times; because it was bulky, inappropriate, and prohibitively expensive; now everyone has access to the full internet at high speeds everywhere... life is better- more convenient, access to finances, etc.
Yep, now when you go out to dinner, everyone's got their phone on the table and "checking-in", "tweeting" or, for the love of god, "tindering". What has this iPhone replaced? Actually interacting with the person sitting next to you.... Yep, life's got better.

Anyway, I'm not actually this bitter about it. I have an iPhone in my pocket right now and use it plenty, but I'm not so blind as to ignore the well documented negatives to the iPhone (which I guess you could say is influential, but in the wrong direction).
 
Not surprising, Times seem to love Apple no matter what. I would not claim it's the most influential gadget of all time. It's almost implying Apple invented the mobile phone! Yeah don't worry about Motorola....

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Hmm seems a strange story and list, I guess they have separated 'Inventions' from "gadgets' seeing as one of the first Motorola mobile phones is way down the list.
Their write up of the iPhone is incorrect too, we did have flat touchscreen phones before the iPhone, I think.

Motorola didn't invent the mobile phone. Get your facts strait.

Even so, the iPhone at the top is not about who first did a mobile phone, it's more about the way the iPhone paved the way for all the things we now expect a mobile phone to do.
 
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Now, no one actually knows where sh-t is. They just blindly follow a voice from their phone. Heaven forbid you from actually know anything about this world you live in, just let that screen in your pocket tell you everything you need to know.


Now, people are too busy taking pictures so they can post 1000 updates a day about what you ate for lunch and what little johnny looked like after his first banana cereal instead of actually living in the moment.


Yep, now when you go out to dinner, everyone's got their phone on the table and "checking-in", "tweeting" or, for the love of god, "tindering". What has this iPhone replaced? Actually interacting with the person sitting next to you.... Yep, life's got better.

Anyway, I'm not actually this bitter about it. I have an iPhone in my pocket right now and use it plenty, but I'm not so blind as to ignore the well documented negatives to the iPhone (which I guess you could say is influential, but in the wrong direction).

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Because phones now have GPS, people are more willing to visit another city or another country, and aren't dependent on a pre-determined "touristic guide", there's Uber for instance, that depends on smartphones's GPS and maps. Taxis are going unceremoniously away, and so are bad drivers, smelly cars, and because it shows the GPS route to the driver and the rider, there goes fraudulent taxi drivers.

Because people take more pictures at food, more people care about how food looks, and healthy food (with lots of colorful vegetables) is what looks good.

Because of Tinder, now you don't need to to things you don't like (like going out to clubs) to get casual sex.
 
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Dear children, who are apparently working at Time magazine:

Something that's only been around for ten years can hardly qualify as the "most" anything of all time, since we have yet to see how things play out over the long haul.

You know, like for longer than you've personally been self aware.

So, you disagree with the list - or at least the number 1 position - and you attempt some sort of insult or whatnot by labelling the person or people who compiled the list as children? How very mature.

And compiling a list of favourites or bests or whatever up until now is kinda the point in the first place of making a list such as this! It is only up until now, this moment, right now (unless you reference the hilarious Spaceballs scene where now is never attainable!). A list 20 years ago would have looked a lot different, as it will be in 20 years time, no doubt, though perhaps with only a few new additions.
 
A list 20 years ago would have looked a lot different, as it will be in 20 years time, no doubt, though perhaps with only a few new additions.

Which is exactly why my problem is with calling anything new the most influential of "all time".

"All time " is a very long period, so it the length of time something has been an influence should count quite a bit, in addition to its breadth of influence.

For example, as someone pointed out, TV has been around much longer and influenced many more people's lives. Ditto for gadgets like wristwatches.

Smartphones themselves, and the iPhone in particular, are nowhere near as widespread or influential on a global scale, even into tiny otherwise unconnected villages, or for that matter, all the millions of people who still do not own a smartphone.

And yes, the older a person is, the less that a newer gadget could have been that great an influence in their overall life experience.

E.g. does GPS make my life easier at times? Sure. Is it a definitive influence on me? Nope. Learning to read maps for decades was far more so. GPS is just a new convenience. So perhaps some of these should be ranked as "most convenient gadgets".
 
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I'd also like to add that I've never liked the looks of the iBook. What an ugly piece of tech. Looks like a portable toilet seat.
 
People said similar things in 2006. Apple milked the iPod's success for a very very long time, while developing new things in the background.

The problem is most people's short attention span when it comes to innovation. They think a company is only innovative if they release something life-changing once a year. Or even better, twice a year.

For innovation to happen, many things have to fall in place. The first iPhone required wireless technology, good batteries, high-performing low-power processors, capacitive multitouch and a great operating system to bring everything together. Some technologies had to mature, while others had just come into mainstream existence. Which new or newly matured technologies are there now to drive the next round of innovation?

You are correct about the iPod. At one point, the iPod had the same prominence for Apple as the iPhone has today. At that time, Apple was accused of not caring about their Macs because so much of the money was coming from the iPod.
 
You are correct about the iPod. At one point, the iPod had the same prominence for Apple as the iPhone has today. At that time, Apple was accused of not caring about their Macs because so much of the money was coming from the iPod.
I remember when I was a student having an argument until 2am about who was the best band oasis or radiohead- utterly pointless but fun at the time
 
...agreed - fire is a discovery, not a gadget.

Flint and steel, safety match (non-safety math), cigarette lighter, or even that thing with a sort of bow and string for creating fire, however...

It all depends on your definition of gadget: washing machine, refrigerator... huge social impact (not the vacuum cleaner - that just obliged us to clean our floors too often but its nice to have clothes and food that don't smell)

Also, it is nonsense to have the IBM PC in there without the Altair 8800 which arguably started all the trouble, or at least one of Apple II, Commodore PET or TRS-80 which turned the personal computer into a plug-in-and-go appliance.

Also the IBM PC was a boring incremental development of existing CP/M machines who's only "innovation" consisted of the 3 letters on its badge - it was also proprietary in that only a IBM PC could run IBM PC software (the revisionist history that says it was "open" is presumably comparing it with other IBM business systems). The influential step was the appearance - despite IBMs best efforts - of IBM Compatibles that turned IBM PC into a de-facto open standard.

IBM Stinkpad? Really? Virtually all modern laptop designs follow the plan of the original Apple (designed with Sony) Powerbook 100, with the set-back keyboard and wrist0rest with central pointing device.

Fun game: name an application of personal computing that actually originated in the PC world. Not a specific software package: a use, e.g (take PC below to mean "IBM PC & Compatibles" not 'personal computer'):

Wordprocessing: WordStar on CP/M predated PC, I don't think that was the first.
Spreadsheet: Visicalc on Apple II (and ported to most other pre-PC systems) as far as I know
Database: Pre-microcomputer, later dBaseII on CP/M
Relational Database: probably Oracle or Ingres, PDP-11/VAX/Unix
Desktop Publishing: Mac - PageMaker, PostScript, LaserWriter and all that
Graphics - Vector: Don't know the first offhand, but remember BitStick on the Apple II and BBC Micro. Sure wasn't PC
Graphics - Bitmap/Photo: bitmap graphics since forever, "Digital Darkroom" on the Mac springs to mind
Video Editing: Premiere on Mac probably (although the first non-linear video editing system I saw was running on an Acorn Archimedes, but the idea was you 'edited' a grotty, but full-frame-rate highly compressed version and output an edit decision list).
3D/CGI/Video compositing: Probably mainframes or some super-duper workstation from Silicon Graphics or Sun. On personal computer hardware, Babylon 5 started off using Commodore Amigas.
Internet: certainly pre-dates PC. I think KA9Q was the first TCP/IP stack for micros and started on CP/M
WWW: I do believe that Sir Tim Berners-Lee used one of Mr Jobs' finest NeXT cubes.
Music: Pretty sure MIDI sequencing was on Apple, BBC Micro etc. before PC, and of course Atari ST, Amiga and Mac were the big 3 in music for a long time (and the major music manuscript editing system, Sibelius, originated on the Acorn Archimedes).

Come on - anybody got something that the IBM PC brought to the world of computing? Viruses (no, wait, I think that was Amiga, too) :->

Oh, I could have saved time and put:
Virtually Everything: The Mother of All Demos, 1968 (I see no PCs)

To be fair, the PC clones did make many of these things more affordable further down the line.

Simply amazing effort in response to a Sarcastic Reply with no real interest in the topic. I commend your dedication to the Cult. :apple:
 
Not in 2016. The Internet has a much broader use, and people are spending a lot more time on the Internet than watching TV. Maybe at the turn of the century TV was king, but now you can watch anything online.

The year's got nothing to do with most influential gadget of ALL TIME.
 
Which is exactly why my problem is with calling anything new the most influential of "all time".

"All time " is a very long period, so it the length of time something has been an influence should count quite a bit, in addition to its breadth of influence.

For example, as someone pointed out, TV has been around much longer and influenced many more people's lives. Ditto for gadgets like wristwatches.

Smartphones themselves, and the iPhone in particular, are nowhere near as widespread or influential on a global scale, even into tiny otherwise unconnected villages, or for that matter, all the millions of people who still do not own a smartphone.

And yes, the older one is, the less a newer gadget could have been that great an influence in their overall life experience.
You're saying that Time's clickbait issue of the year (and that's saying something) is the magazine equivalent of clickbait?

Say it isn't so!

:p
 
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