Times Article-Can Iphone Live up to expectations?

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  1. needthephone macrumors 6502a

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    http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article1940519.ece

    I hope this article in the Times is wrong

    One passage reads

    "Adding to the creeping doubts over the iPhone is a recent blog posting by John Dvo-rak, the influential technology journalist and noted Apple sceptic.

    He quoted an anonymous ‘industry source’ as telling him: “The keyboard is a disaster, and people are going to return the phone in droves. I’m guessing 20 per cent will go back.”
     
  2. JNB macrumors 604

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    Dvorak used to be one of the biggest Apple fanboys and apologists out there. His comments, while sometimes critical, were aimed to improve Apple, and obviously meant to prod them to greatness. I guess Steve pissed in his corn flakes once, and the love affair was over. All he attempts to do now is criticize, not critique, and spread FUD.

    Basically, anything he says should be taken with a five-pound block of salt, if not ignored completely.

    Also, that article is a reprint - I've seen it before in the last two-three weeks. They weren't able to short AAPL then, either.
     
  3. iMichael72 macrumors regular

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    All of this, obviously, is speculation. There is so much hype about the iPhone (and the time waiting for it to come out) that people will (feel the need) to blog/write/post about it in any way.

    Imagine when the iPhone does come out. The internet will be slowed to a crawl with everyone writing about how much they love it, hate it, would improve it, etc, etc.
     
  4. diabolic macrumors 68000

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    I personally find it hard to believe that Apple would be releasing it and hyping it up if the keyboard was "a disaster".

    It may take a short time to get used to it, but if it was really terrible, I don't think they'd be going that direction.

    For all we know Dvorak's industry source is someone at RIM. :)
     
  5. AppleIntelRock macrumors 65816

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    I just love "industry insiders" they're ALWAYS WRONG. However. Walt did say he wasn't sure about the iPhone...

    It wont be perfect. But I'm sure it'll be fine. If it wasn't, Steve wouldn't let it out the door.............
     
  6. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    Heh. Anyone who's spent much time with a touchscreen keyboard knows they're a real pain to use for more than a couple of words. You spend a lot of time backspacing, even with predictive text... which is more often annoying than correct.
     
  7. kamiboy macrumors 6502

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    I can say the same thing about texting with a number pad. The iPhone core market do not have qwerty keyboards on their phones, so the iPhone will be a large step up. The only ones complainig are the power users that erroneously think the iPhone is made for them; it is NOT.

    The iPhone will sell gang busters and people will love it and all those nay saying tech critics wont understand why.
     
  8. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    If you think about it, almost all the people wanting an iPhone right now ARE power users.

    They want a device that does some common things in an easier way. It's just another manifestation of the instant-gratification need people have these days :)

    OTOH, my wife and parents are not power users, and therefore have little interest in such a converged device. Even that's too much for them! It's easier for them to have dedicated devices. And they have zero need for a keyboard, that's for sure. I'm sure you know plenty of people like that.

    Most iPhone lusters have never had a touchscreen keyboard before. Therefore they have no idea what works and what doesn't. I have, and do, and that's with a landscape keyboard on a bigger screen than the iPhone has. You'll also note that even an Apple VP couldn't type a simple four letter name on it, and public reviewers have so far not been enthusiastic. These should be huge hints.
     
  9. needthephone thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    When I read it, even being objective, it struck me as being vindictive, some one with an agenda. They are trying to produce a reverse buzz I guess. Apple are going into competition with lots of big companies and the dirty tricks brigades will be plotting the iphones demise, and by trying to spread rumours about the keyboard could produce a bad perception,

    I hate using my phone keyboard, all that predictive text nonsense, its so hard to use that I can't be bothered with SMS- If someone sends me a message with CU l8r I will never speak to them again. The iphones keyboard looks great in comparison, particularly if they do as some have suggested here and make it work in landscape mode.
     
  10. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    You are right. Think how many "tech" critics are still writing erroneously that you can't play an iTunes purchase on anything but an iPod or the machine you bought it on. I decided all those people are just trolls for their newspapers, or so ignorant they should be fired.

    I can hardly wait for the iPhone. We are the ones who will make the 2nd and 3rd and 5th and 210th gens of iPhone the amazing things they will be in their turn! Sure gen 1 of iPhone won't be perfect. What is perfect? The coffee we made this morning when we needed a cuppa java just to become functional enough to find the filters?
     
  11. skubish macrumors 68030

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    Without a doubt, the iPhone can't live up to expectations. They are sky high right now.

    It will be a good phone, maybe the best phone out there.
     
  12. kamiboy macrumors 6502

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    I don't think so. I think the power users are the only ones whose voice is heard because they are the ones that write the articles and post in the forums. The silent majority that Apple is after will vote with their wallets, and what wallets they be .
     
  13. 01jamcon macrumors 6502a

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    So who is it made for then?

    The large majority of people posting here saying they want an iPhone are either:
    Business users who want to claim they need the new "High Technology" from their companies to increase their 'productivity' or some crap. In this case, you are right, because I don't see how having an iPod, a picture viewer and some maps will make you so much more productive. I'm pretty sure many of the crackberry users who make the switch will be fairly-to-very disappointed with the iPhone.

    The only other people who are willing to shell out $500 and $600 (waaay too much) for a phone are fanboys that will buy them whether or not they need any of the features at all. I personally have no use for such a converged device (which will probably be a big battery-drainer), and certainly not worth the expensive initial cost as well as the monthly contract payments.

    Business users will find it not useful and productive enough: Has Apple mentioned some kind of text editor on the iPhone? Didn't think so. What good is a bloody iPod when you need other features.

    For your supposed "iPhone core market", it'll most likely be too expensive, have too little battery life, and not have some features that consumers are beginning to be offered from other phone manufacturers, such as a better camera and a removable battery.

    Also, I'm promising you that it won't appeal to a large majority of the teenage market (10-19 year olds), because their parents won't have the cash to splash on this, so it looks as if the core market is shrinking by the minute.

    I think Apple are very brave to enter into the phone market, and while I think they've created a very innovative device that does things, the 'Apple way', their price justification doesn't quite hold up, and this first version is certainly lacking. I just hope they stick at it for a version 2, because they are certainly onto something, but they've marketed it slightly wrong in my opinion.
     
  14. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    The silent majority have no clue the iPhone exists, despite the hype and ads.

    And even if they see one in the store, and get wow'd by the demo, the price will scare them off.

    No, I think for once the pre-buying studies are correct. The buyers will be well-off 30 year old male metrosexuals living in big coastal cities where there's lots of wifi.
     
  15. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    Dvorak's been a jerk since day one, and he's wrong that the keyboard is a "disaster".

    All I'm saying is that it's not going to be as easy to use as some naive types claim.

    It'd be very nice if Apple did what everyone asked and had a landscape option.
     
  16. emotion macrumors 68040

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    Try writing a resonable amount of words with graffiti2 on the Palm platform. I've been usin Palm devices for 8 years or so and even I find it tricky.

    A touchscreen might work out but I'm very wary of smudges on screens so I might not like it.

    I'm prepared to give it a shot though.
     
  17. alfonsog macrumors 6502

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    All the kids (high school age) that work for me want an iPhone. Ignorant ex-crackhead friend that recently moved to Tennessee called me about getting one (he just now got his first iPod for his wife.) Ex-boyfriend in the middle of Indiana called me about one. Grandmother called me about getting one after seeing the commercials. Aunt with a ranch in the Hamptons wants one. Cousin in Rome, Italy called me about the iPhone. Random people on the streets talk about the iPhone. I was in the Apple store in Naples the other day and everyone wanted one and wondering if they could take it back to Europe and use it...

    I am the computer guy that my family and friends all call me to fix their stupid pc's and none of them have mac's (even though I told them to buy a Mac since OS X came out, I did.)

    This phone will sell. And it will sell to kids. Even my poorer aunt's kids have PSP's, iPods, cell phones, and gaming systems that cost near the iPhone. It will be the #1 Christmas gift of all time.
     
  18. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    If you want to get a feel for what it'll be like...

    Download a picture of the iPhone that has the keyboard showing, and scale it so that the _screen_ part is 2" wide and 3" high.

    Print it out on a piece of stiff paper. Now pretend you're typing on it.

    Using a stylus on small screens will suddenly become quite understandable to many people who made fun of them. Two inches is an incredibly small width for QWERTY.

    Again though, if Apple included a landscape mode, it'd help.
     
  19. AppleIntelRock macrumors 65816

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    The iPhone uses predictive text. So, it guesses which letter you want to type, based on where you're pointing your finger. As a result, the size doesn't matter that much. Walt said the keyboard was surprisingly good.
     

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