To Apple or not to Apple: That is the question.

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by onVacation, Oct 28, 2016.


To Apple or not to Apple.

Poll closed Nov 4, 2016.
  1. To Apple

    7 vote(s)
  2. Not to Apple

    5 vote(s)
  1. onVacation, Oct 28, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2016

    onVacation macrumors member


    Oct 22, 2016
    Hi guys,

    to start this and to tell you where I'm coming from I'm just going to copy/paste what I already wrote in the "Waiting for Skylake MBP" thread shortly before it was closed and add a few things at the end.

    I'm in the market for a mobile computing device since I started here at my university a little over one year ago. I was (and still am) looking for something that would be my perfect companion.

    I started with an old Latitude. It was just borrowed from a friend and I quickly left it at home instead of taking it with me, simply because it was too heavy.

    I then started to look for cool, new stuff and found Mircosoft's Surface line.
    I bought a Surface Pro 4, but returned it after the first week, because 5 hours of battery life simply wasn't enough.
    I bought a Surface Book, but returned it after 2 days for a few reasons:
    1) The rubber strips on the bottom do nothing. It slides around on your table like crazy.
    2) You can't detach the screen under a certain battery percentage. That means if you're sitting in a lecture, have the screen turned around to write on it, your battery falls below 10% and the lecture ends you have a laptop with the screen facing up and cannot change it until you find a power outlet.
    3) This device it made to be thrown away after a few years. Properly removing dust from the cooling system is almost impossible and there are little to no spare parts available for private customers anywhere, so even if you could do stuff on your own, they won't let you.

    Next up I took a look in the Apple cosmos. I didn't like iOS (and I still don't), but the iPad Pro seemed to be a good device and the Apple Pencil was great.
    I bought one, thinking that I could somehow work around iOS's restrictions. Turned out I couldn't, but my iPad and I, we had a great 4 months together before I sold it (GoodNotes is a great app btw).

    At that point I began to realize that the tablet world is not ready for my needs yet and started to search for a well build laptop that's great to work with instead.

    I quickly started looking at business devices: HP's ProBook, Acer's TravelMate, Dell's Latitude and the iconic Thinkpad line. I started to like the latter. Great keyboards (probably the best I've ever used on laptops), nice design (yes, I do like it), super-sturdy build (not like the IBM ones, but like a tank compared to all the aluminium-unibody-things) and more than decent student discounts that make them affordable.
    Just one big downside: The displays are utter crap. They look like the photographer with his Macbook next to you took his ND filter and placed it in front of your screen.
    They do make a few laptops with OLED displays, but it's expensive as f*** and you have to sacrifice a lot of battery life, so it's not an option.

    And here I am. Getting back to Apple. The place I left when I sold my iPad.

    I had high hopes for the new Macbook. Considering it's been so long since the last update and the fact that they announced it on the PowerBook's anniversary made me think they had something special in store for us.

    Au contraire...

    All they did is make it smaller and make it thinner while sacrificing huge parts of the battery, add a huge trackpad that serves no purpose other than accidentally touching it while typing on the new keyboard, that seems to be almost identical to it's ****** ancestor in the rMB, add a more than gimmicky Touchbar, that even looked awkward during their own presentation (they can't be serious about the DJ stuff), kill the MBA, rename it MBP, give it a processor that is worse than the entry-level CPU on the old entry-level MBP and for all that they want 500 € more than the previous generation costs?!

    Im still waiting for someone to wake me up or to shout "It's a prank!".

    They just can't be serious about this.

    4 USB-C TB3 ports, because it's the future?! Yeah right, Apple. It's the future. Get you priorities straight. Either you build a device for the future or you build a device for the present, but combining old 2015 hardware with ports that will be standard in 3 years or so, doesn't do it.

    I know, your engineer says -1 and +1 equals 0 and therefore you created something for the present, but it doesn't work that way. It just f****** doesn't.

    Right now I somehow think it's a good idea to wait a few weeks and then buy one of the old MBPs.
    Then again, Apple screwed up their hardware over the past years. It's just a matter of time until they ruin the software, make a ton of new features that only work with their oh-so-awesome Touchbar (I think that's the only purpose it serves) and I don't want to be stuck with macOS when that happens...

    That was my comment on the thread, now on to my further thoughts:

    I want a laptop that has a good trackpad, a decent keyboard, good battery life and o.k. reparability. The combination of the four cannot be found in any Windows machine right now.

    Once again: I don't want a Mac for macOS. Unlinke many others, I like Windows.

    However, the new Macbooks are way to expensive. 1600 € for the base model that replaces the Macbook Air (including education discount)? No, thank you.

    So, there's one thing left: One of the old models, a 2015 model. It has the ForceTouch trackpad, which I think is really great, the keyboard is not like a Thinkpad one, but it's pretty good and I don't think I will miss anything. Battery life...Well, it's a Mac. Can't beat that.

    Reparability: This is actually something I always consider. If something goes wrong after the warranty expired, I'm doing it myself. The Macbook is actually not too bad in this field. You can open it by just removing a few screws (as long as it's not the screen). No glue, no plastic clips. Yes, RAM is soldered on, yes, SSD is proprietary, but many others have that too (except for the SSD, but that one's very unlikely to fail). Battery is hard to remove, but the odds of doing this more than once are small. Afterall due to their popularity it's quite easy to get spare parts for Macbooks, even if you're a private customer. This is not given for most other laptop brands (except Thinkpads).

    In the end, my main question is the following: How likely is it that Apple is going to "nerf" older Macbooks within the next 4-5 years?

    Yeah, I know, the new entry level MBP and the rMB don't have the TouchBar, but in the end it's still Apple.

    I'd really like to get a MBP, the 13" 256GB (2015) costs "only" 1450 €, if I go for the 128GB and upgrade it with a Transcend Jetdrive (might be enough, I'm not sure yet), that one goes for 1270 €.
    That's actually not too bad, even compared to something like the Razer Blade Stealth or the XPS 13 + maybe the older MBP's price drops a little over the next few weeks (speaking of retailers other than Apple).

    What do you think: Yea or nay? I know, this is an Apple forum after all, but still...Maybe you guys have some good ideas.

    (Little side question for those who have made the transition: Is it easy to adapt to macOS coming from Windows?)
  2. rshrugged macrumors 6502a

    Oct 11, 2015
    I don't have a Mac laptop, can't help you there. If the software needed is available for Mac or someone's planning on dual-booting, anyone can adapt to a new OS with a little effort. If your experience includes successfully fiddling with Windows and/or Linux, it'll be easier still. It's not necessarily that you'll need to fiddle much with the Mac OS, it's evidence that you're not afraid to search, read, ask for help at forums, basically do whatever it takes to dive in and figure things out for yourself.

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