To Apple - Relaunch the Macbook Pro from 2015

[agaskew]

Your long rant aside. No busy corporation with teams are going to give up the Finder for Windows File Explorer. Don’t under estimate how useful labels and Quick Look are in team environments and anyone who thinks these features can be abandoned is a useless duffer. If someone in a company suggested abandoning the Finder I would send them straight for a 1 to 1 in a private office and they will leave that office with their head between the knees.

I've worked in dozens of very high profile corporations - financial, government, military, manfuacturing and retail. Not a single one has any Mac presence or footprint of note, and in fact the great majority have none whatsoever. None of the enterprise grade software I work with even has a client or agent for MacOS, there's no demand for it. Windows Servers and desktops, Unix (AIX, Solaris, HP-UXes etc) VMS, z/OS, Redhat, SuSe etc - yes. MacOS - no. If anyone came to me advocating the use of Finder in a 'busy corporation', they wouldn't get very far.

 

[maflynn]

Your long rant aside. No busy corporation with teams are going to give up the Finder for Windows File Explorer. Don’t under estimate how useful labels and Quick Look are in team environments and anyone who thinks these features can be abandoned is a useless duffer. If someone in a company suggested abandoning the Finder I would send them straight for a 1 to 1 in a private office and they will leave that office with their head between the knees.

Macs are virtually absent in the enterprise. Apple has long given up trying to push the mac into the business world, and while there are smatterings of companies that may use macs in the business world, they are the exception not the rule.

Aside from that, trying to say that the Finder is a great collaborative tool for teams and offices is really doing some significant logical gymnastics, there are much more robust, featured and powerful collaborative tools designed to work with teams of people.

 

[leman]

But, companies change, as people do, and the focus drifted, becoming pointed more toward mass appeal, and less on the "tool" aspects. Hardware that looks better than it is to use, and software that was being diluted and dumbed down down for different users (if not eliminated entirely, like Aperature).

I could not disagree more.

On the hardware side, in the last few years we got: a) reduced footprint with same or better performance relative to state of the art (its the first time that a MBP is available with a GPU that is faster than any other laptop in its class) b) excellent very bright wide-gamut displays with excellent colour accuracy and contrast c) multi-purpose ports that enable more use cases, especially if wants to connect to high-speed external storage or devices d) reliable external GPU support. On the high-performance side, we have gained an excellent mid-class workstation that uses faster Xeon-E and very competitive GPUs. What is lacking is a desktop with symmetric multiprocessing support, but is an extremely niche market to begin with.

On the software side, we got a) improved automation and OS scriptability b) instant FS snapshotting c) very nice GPU APIs d) an entire new programming language that enables higher-performance software with less bugs and significantly lower memory footprint, and various bits and pieces like the fact that Time Machine protocols has been open-sourced.

The above list is not complete at all, its just stuff from the top of my head.

A disclaimer: I am not a photo or video professional and I don't know anything about these topics. It very well may be that media pros are indeed findingApple's product lacking. This is another bit I find very surprising though. This thing with "Macs being great for photo and video" never made much sense to me. On Window side, you have access to higher-performance hardware for less. Mac's strong sides are portability (which you probably don't need as a heavy-duty editor, since you are sitting on your desktop) and the multitasking/organisation/UNIX features offered by the OS (quick look, infraction between apps etc.) — something that is invaluable to a person like me who keeps hopping between multiple different applications and works with heterogenous code and data — but completely pointless to an editor who "lives" inside a single software suite all the time.

 

[Mr. Dee]

Your long rant aside. No busy corporation with teams are going to give up the Finder for Windows File Explorer. Don’t under estimate how useful labels and Quick Look are in team environments and anyone who thinks these features can be abandoned is a useless duffer. If someone in a company suggested abandoning the Finder I would send them straight for a 1 to 1 in a private office and they will leave that office with their head between the knees.

Well, I think the amount of replies disputing your rant in this thread says otherwise.

Even Steve Jobs former company PIXAR, uses Windows and Linux boxes.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Macs are virtually absent in the enterprise.

Wasn't talking about enterprise. Mostly mainstream corporations with large offices. Nearly every major company I have stepped into. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of Macs. Hundreds of employees in each who rely on things like Finder labels. The only one I saw using Windows on all the desktops was an international news organisation belonging to that Murdoch fella who nobody likes.

Meanwhile Windows Explorer, as fast as it is, is stuck in the year 2000 in many ways. It still lacks many modern features that Apple introduced in the 90s.
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I've worked in dozens of very high profile corporations - financial, government, military, manfuacturing and retail. Not a single one has any Mac presence or footprint of note

I can understand the government and military bit, but god knows which donkey corporations you saw in retail and manufacturing who rely on 'Unix' or Windows or whatever else you were mentioning.

 

[pshufd]

Wasn't talking about enterprise. Mostly mainstream corporations with large offices. Nearly every major company I have stepped into. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of Macs. Hundreds of employees in each who rely on things like Finder labels. The only one I saw using Windows on all the desktops was an international news organisation belonging to that Murdoch fella who nobody likes.

Meanwhile Windows Explorer, as fast as it is, is stuck in the year 2000 in many ways. It still lacks many modern features that Apple introduced in the 90s.
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I can understand the government and military bit, but god knows which donkey corporations you saw in retail and manufacturing who rely on 'Unix' or Windows or whatever else you were mentioning.

Check out IBM, Google, Oracle, Biotechs, Medical Research, Mozilla.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Check out IBM, Google, Oracle, Biotechs, Medical Research, Mozilla.

If you kindly go back to the previous page and refer to my original post you will see how I refer to Finder Labels, Quick Look and color profiles. There are millions of people in the world who rely on features like this in their workflows. If you start mentioning companies that don't rely on these features you are diverting away from the use cases I used as an example. It makes this conversation muddled and pointless like most internet discussions.

You should simply accept that there are millions of people who have a certain workflow and they will not abandon that workflow in order to use something archaic like Windows File Explorer. The core and historic Mac users will not jump ship just because a few people on a forum are feeling grumpy.

 

[pshufd]

If you kindly go back to the previous page and refer to my original post you will see how I refer to Finder Labels, Quick Look and color profiles. There are millions of people in the world who rely on features like this in their workflows. If you start mentioning companies that don't rely on these features you are diverting away from the use cases I used as an example. It makes this conversation muddled and pointless like most internet discussions.

You should simply accept that there are millions of people who have a certain workflow and they will not abandon that workflow in order to use something archaic like Windows File Explorer. The core and historic Mac users will not jump ship just because a few people on a forum are feeling grumpy.

A lot of developers work in the Unix world or have to do development for potentially Mac, Linux and Windows. In these environments, you want to go with Mac.

 

[spacebro]

I always bought the latest MacBook Pro fully loaded- until the 2016 model. The 2016 had problems with the keyboard I am still waiting to get resolved, and I was not thrilled about the Touch Bar, and was hoping they would put MagSafe back. I never imagined I would still have this 2015 model in 2019.

 

[agaskew]

Wasn't talking about enterprise. Mostly mainstream corporations with large offices. Nearly every major company I have stepped into. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of Macs. Hundreds of employees in each who rely on things like Finder labels. The only one I saw using Windows on all the desktops was an international news organisation belonging to that Murdoch fella who nobody likes.

Meanwhile Windows Explorer, as fast as it is, is stuck in the year 2000 in many ways. It still lacks many modern features that Apple introduced in the 90s.
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I can understand the government and military bit, but god knows which donkey corporations you saw in retail and manufacturing who rely on 'Unix' or Windows or whatever else you were mentioning.

The ignorance of your post is breathtaking.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

The ignorance of your post is breathtaking.

The ignorance of your reply is breathtaking. It’s just empty accusatory words with nothing backing them.

Anyway. Nice to see a room full of Macs was used to create the algorithm that allowed us to see a black hole for the first time.

https://i.redd.it/7fhncejghhr21.jpg

 

[rutrack]

The ignorance of your post is breathtaking.

Yeah, I haven't seen anything like that for a long time. If you don't take it seriously though, it's a pretty funny ... Finder with "labels and quick look" rule the corporate world with millions users relying on these feature in team environment Better not work for that Murdock fella that nobody likes, or they make you use the archaic windows explorer, unlike the millions of users with a certain workflow. This is hilarious, want more
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Would it be possible?
Could it be possible?

After 2015 the Macbook Pro's sold by Apple seem to have a lot of problems, some basic problems like being able to use the Keyboard. I have an idea, save the money Apple and just do a relaunch of the 2015-model with better internals and maybe an addition of two USB-C ports and keep everything else?

I thought about jumping ship but I love macOS but I am not willing to buy problematic hardware so I have to look for 4 year old hardware for an upgrade, how does that sound, hu Apple?

Please let someone else take over the development department or at least listen to your customers, we want to buy your products but you keep coming out with stuff that is not worth it with all the possible problems down the road.

I don't think that's possible or feasible . Everybody else went on and offers products competitive to MBP. The problem is not just a single product generation, I think it's more about long term commitment to a particular user group. It would be great of Apple to reevaluate their strategy and put more focus on computers though.