So, with the slim hope upgrades tomorrow...looks like were stuck with some outdated mac pro's for a while. I have a nice chunk of change sitting in my bank account and now I'm thinking that going to PC route might be an option worth considering again. I see a lot of folks who are just plain confused about why someone thinks mac pros are outdated or "not good enough", so I'm going to try to take the time to explain. If your still don't quite grasp it, just leave the response to others. So here's the skinny and what us ex-power user, current unix loving mac users mean when we get frustrated with apples stagnate upgrade model: Problem 1) The mac pro desktop is the only truly upgradeable mac option. Problem 2) It is still very un-upgradeable compared to a PC. For example, say a new form factor comes out and all the game card manufacturers update to it. A mac tower user is now forced with buying an entire new machine since you can't just slap a new mobo in there. But a pc user, though he has to shell out more, only has to buy a new mobo and new card usually able to reuse his cpu for the time being. End result: major PC adjustment tops out at 700. major mac adjustment tops out at 2500. I'm actually suffering form something similiar. Ignoring the entire new CPU architecture change, I can't upgrade my vid card since game card manufacturers moved on. I also can't reuse my tower, ram, cpu's, and internal peripherals etc since apple doesn't part out and only sells new systems. I hope this clarifies why power users are so hung up on riding the cusp of major upgrades and why they're so hesitant at purchasing year old equipment for current years prices. Apple is eratic and likes cutting edge when it upgrades. Who knows what the next major upgrade might bring that breaks backwards compatiblity? And in mac world, this means purchasing entirely new systems to take advantage of them. Ok, that being said. I love my Power Mac. It's a monster, no doubt. But it's obsolete. We're already seeing developers and new applications ceasing to cater to this dead technology. Bottom line, weigh in here: Should I just shell out the 1500 for a PC for the stuff that needs current tech and use my power mac for development, browsing, and desktop stuff that's less demanding or just hang tight a couple of more months or however long it takes apple to catch up with current tech? Money is not the issue here, rather it's the *convenience* of having my work and play on the same machine compared to the inconvenience of maintaining two computers, KVM's, and the extra space it takes up. ===You don't have to read below this unless your going to provide one of the canned negative responses that always seem to make an appearance...it'll save you some typing=== 1) But they're workstations and they're lightening fast. True, but the dated hardware that I speak of is not raw CPU power. It's vid cards. 2) Macs aren't for gaming, buy an xbox. I kinda like pc games. My work is more important, which is why I use a mac and not a PC. But nonetheless, I do enjoy gaming and it factors into my purchases (like the best-of-it's-kind-for-the-powermac ati 850XT in my machine that struggles with currrent games at max settings.) 3) Lawls, the x1900 is 1337! What else could you possibly want? Cards that handle DX10, the x1900 is on the fast track to obsolescence and has been for a good while. Besides, nothing smarts like "settling" for last year's tech then having a surprise update to the latest tech. Thanks in advance!