Im aware there is already a topic in this sort of discussion, but I have different points that will make a good topic in themselves. I just want to explain to everyone what I think apples strategy in Leopard was, because many seem to be confused and are even saying stuff like "tiger is better then leopard" I dont expect to change any opinions, I even agree Apple made some questionable UI decisions in leopard. But what my point in this topic is to explain what apples focus in leopard was. Leopard was designed to be for developers. I've heard time and time again from reviewers that ALOT of behind the scenes stuff was changed in leopard. Also by leopard being full UNIX now is just one sort of sign that leopard is to attract developers. Just think about it, Xcode 3.0 is in my opinion one of the best things about leopard. It is SOOOO good, its unbelievable. Im only a small programmer, VERY amateur still. Yet with Xcode 3.0 I've already sucessfully made simply Cocoa applications. Weird thing is I hardly knew what i was doing, yet the simple application I made not only functioned, but it was also stable, integrated with OS X. NOW THAT is something you wont get in windows...EVER. Now you might be thinking "so what Xcode was good in Tiger too". Sure your right it was, heck it was even decent in Panther. But i still strongly feel like apples focus in leopard was to please developers and ot make it easier then ever. WHY would apple want that to be their strategy? Well thats fairly simple answer, OS X is already almost at the point where it has all the features we could need built in. Heck, for the features Apple added, apple had ot convince us we needed some of the stuff they were giving us (such as stacks.... even time machine, Is backing up really THAT important?) Well, after the OS's main features the second biggest selling point about an OS, are it's third party applications. Sure its already a fact that well OS X's apps are generally of higher quality then windows apps. But, with leopard now with all the stuff Xcode offers and how leopard was built (from what I've heard at least) applications can be EVEN better. So I'm just saying sure right now leopard might seem like a little bit of a downgrade becuase apple made some UI choices. But really I think apple used leopard ot set themselves up for a great future. By making third party developers lives easier, they will be more tempted ot use OS X. The more developers on OS X, the more options and features users will have. Whihc ends in a MUCH better OS in the long run. Take this thread with as much or as little thought at you want, cause im just stating what I think. Maybe you guys will agree.