Today my mind has been changed...

Discussion in 'iPad' started by NiuFengLe, Mar 31, 2010.

  1. NiuFengLe macrumors member

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    Well, I was first thinking that I really would not want an iPad seeing as I have one of the new 27'ers, a macbook pro, and an iPhone.

    After seeing the Twit from Andy Ihntako and getting a glimpse at real world use I am thoroughly impressed and see this as something that I would use a large percentage of the time that I am away from the office. As a matter of fact I would just prefer to leave my laptop at work and just carry a messenger bag with the iPad in it wherever I go. I guess if I make use of cloud computing that may very well be a reality as I can just access my work docs from my home computer. Seriously need to think about this.

    After watching all of the videos that have come up tonight and reading the reviews I firmly believe that Apple will have successfully planted the "tablet" as a mainstream device that has a "purpose". There are two reasons for this that come to mind. I see a lot of companies wanting to throw tablets out to the masses now but I strongly feel that none of them will be able to meet or exceed what Apple has to offer. Sure, they will probably throw out some devices which are physically superior, and which run a full OS. But, there are two things that nobody else can really match. Software and User experience.

    Apple has actually created their own OS for the device. Completely tailored to it. Any other competitors will be using an OS that is made by someone else and not necessarily setup to take complete advantage of the device. I am sure that the Android devices will probably come out and be able to come close but it is going to take a lot of development effort to be able to match this level of quality.

    iTunes. Without a doubt there is nobody that can compete on this level. The iTunes stores and number of people developing apps are what truly rounds this thing out and makes it so that nobody can compete on the same level. Other company's will try but I just do not see them achieving anything close to the level that Apple has.

    I guess as far as all the negatives that were commented on in the reviews I can say this. I remember the first iPhone coming out without an App store, copy and paste, and quite a few other features. Pretty much all of them have been addressed. The only thing that is still missing is multitasking. I am assuming that all of the negatives that have been documented so far are already in the works, either that or there is going to be someone out there who will make it happen through the App store.

    After reading about the tethering of the iPhone to iPad for use with Scrabble I can only assume that it will be a matter of time and someone will come up with a camera app that will allow you to use the camera off the iPhone with the iPad. Not like I really need anything like that but I think there are a lot of possibilities and it will be the developers that really make this thing shine.

    Anyways, I guess as soon as these things hit Hong Kong I am getting one. I just hope that I can use a China Mobile 3G SIM in it. :)
     
  2. lotusindigo macrumors regular

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    Very interesting to learn about Scrabble. I would love to tether my iPad to my iPhone. Would that also mean that the iPad would be able to take advantage of the iPhone's 3G for its apps? I also like the camera idea. I want a camera to take pictures with, I don't care much about having one for video chat.
     
  3. NiuFengLe thread starter macrumors member

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    I would really love to see them put out a stratego or battleship game out that has iPhone support. Everyone uses the common screen on the iPad and you make your moves on the iPhone. Also could see lots of possibilities for multiplayer card games. Lots of possibilities.
     
  4. ukyo229 Guest

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    You need friends or something, maybe a gold fish. Writing a novel about your feelings on a forum? WTF man! That's almost an essay.
     
  5. lotusindigo macrumors regular

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    *shrug* I write long posts too. And I read the OP's entire post. Not everyone is afflicted with short attention spans.
     
  6. NiuFengLe thread starter macrumors member

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    I kept trying to keep goldfish as a kid but I think I kept boring them to death.

    I only have about two people to speak english to here so this is about the only outlet I have. Good thing that nobody here could understand me because I would probably bore lots of Chinese people to death too. :)
     
  7. ukyo229 Guest

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    :) oh English is your second language. OK, I can understand writing that much.
     
  8. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    tl;dr but my mind is slowly changing. However, Rev A product is one fact that's hard to escape.
     
  9. glxyjones macrumors regular

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    I really hope the iPhone/iPad tethering leads to sharing media between the two. I would love to be able to transfer songs and videos that I buy on my iPad to my iPhone without the need for a computer. In fact, this is probably the one feature that my parents need before they could completely throw out their old XP laptop.
     
  10. Scarpad macrumors 68000

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    It really is all about the apps and the content, I think anyone could build an as good or better device, but they would'nd have the content infrastructure in place that apple does.
     
  11. diabolic macrumors 68000

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    Battleship on the iPhone/Touch is fun.
     
  12. Bodhi395 macrumors 6502a

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    I agree with your post, and think the iPad had a huge advantage over the other tablets that are sure to come out.

    The main thing I think it has is apps specially tailored to its interface. This is a HUGE thing and not alot of people are realizing this. I've seen windows 7 tablets are going to be coming out that run full windows programs. But, none of those programs are designed for a tablet interface. Therefore the user experience will probably be alot less than ideal for a vast majority of the programs. Yet, every single one of the iPad apps is designed to work on the ipad and use its touch interface. No windows 7 tablet can match that.
     
  13. mkruck macrumors regular

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    +1

    What's not needed to move the concept of tablet computing forward is the clunky, stale Windows UI crunched down into a smaller form factor. Not only is it visually unappealing, there's so much crapola in a typical Windows application that takes up valuable screen real estate. Link bars, menu bars, buttons, etc.

    Ugh.
     
  14. racer1441 macrumors 68000

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    If you watched that hour yesterday on TWIT with Andy and still don't want an iPad, you better check yourself into the hospital.
     
  15. anthonymoody macrumors 68020

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    To the OP: maybe you just didn't spend a heck of a lot of time examining what we already knew about the iPad - from the keynote, the videos on Apple.com, etc.

    But other than that, to be totally honest I find it odd that his video swayed you in any way. We didn't really learn anything new at all except negative things we didn't already have clear answers for (e.g. no native printing). We already knew how snappy it was, light, great screen, blah blah blah.

    As for the (mostly beta) apps he showed...did the iPhone experience not telegraph clearly enough where this was all going?

    I don't mean to be glib but . . . come on! :)
     
  16. tdream macrumors 65816

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    Another non believer converted. Chaaa-chinggggg!!! :apple:
     
  17. 4DThinker macrumors 68020

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    I watched Andy.

    No printing. No useful multi-apping. The keyboard dock isn't (flat) portable, but has it's own dock port :D. The iPad won't stand up without an accessory stand. iBooks crashed more than once. It's audio and video codec support is limited, but you can display any ebook format you want. Memory is limited to what's on-board and not expandable. GET THE 64GB version ($699)!

    Amazing (yet not perfect) fluidity of the UI. Clever, graphic, amazing apps. Wonderful Zoom and Pan. Fast app load.

    About what I expected. Same great i-Candy as the iPhone and Touch. Same (or better!) apps. Same Apple restrictions on file access.

    It's not just a big iPod Touch. It's a BETTER Bigger iPod Touch!
    Andy: "There's a "special kind of user" that can use this right now."

    JMHO.
     
  18. DaBrain macrumors 65816

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    Do you have a link to that video on line? I listened to the audio show last night and looked forward to watching the video of it today. But, I can not find a link for the video on TWIT, just audio. Thx! ;)
     
  19. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    Tbh jessica I know you were stung by the rev A thing before but given the technologies the ipad is based on I do not think anyone has anything to worry about this time.
     
  20. ippikiokami macrumors regular

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    First off... I preordered 2 iPads :) and can't wait to get them.

    But... bashing the win 7 tablets before they are out or you have actually seen their interface is a little premature no?
    I mean... the same programmers that make iPad aps can also code for windows too.. It's not like it's easier to code for one or the other.

    Right now i'm in a love/annoyed stance. I love the iPad for what it can do but annoyed at some of the things that could have made the experience better for me (usb port -> can use those mini or micro ports, camera, multitask, expandable storage). Apple has some amazing engineers and I'm positive they could have included those as all of them are part of phones that are much smaller than the iPad.

    If the HP slate comes out around the same price point i might end up getting that too. i'm sure i'll love using the iPad.. but i'm a little annoyed i'll have to wait till 2.0 to get some of the things I want.
     
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  22. racer1441 macrumors 68000

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    Keep checking iTunes. I believe they are doing video now of the macbreak weekly podcast, and this will be a special macbreak.
     
  23. undrpsi macrumors regular

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    An observation on iPad and Windows Tablets...

    ippikiokami rightly said...
    But... bashing the win 7 tablets before they are out or you have actually seen their interface is a little premature no?If the HP slate comes out around the same price point i might end up getting that too. i'm sure i'll love using the iPad.. QUOTE]


    I won't bash them but I state (and bet a beer ;) ) that they will never have the consumer base the iPad will. I say this not as an Apple Fanboy (but I play one on TV) but from the standpoint of a frustrated Netbook user.

    OS - There's some really good things about having the worlds most prevelant UI on your tablet in whichever form of Windows winds up being used. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of programs (but the vast majority are not multi-touch aware). To me the best thing is the open file system. That allows true drag and drop and tunneled file searches. You also get seamless desktop to tablet user experience. The downsides go hand in hand with the good things. Windows has so much malware, bloatware, virusi, and just plain crappy software out there it can be frustrating. I don't know of one single person, and all are using various malware, anti-virus, and firewalls who have NOT had something take down the system atleast once or twice every so often. The WinVirus2010 or XPVIRUS2010 malware programs went thru a LOT of people like poo thru a goose over the last 18 months. The drivers, updates, and system configuration can be a hassle too. Yes, Windows 7 is a lot better than XP (let's just forget about Vista) but it's still a desktop OS with tablet features added. A lot of the reviews of the Lenova tablet on Amazon make mention of this. Even with an upgrade to Win 7 Ultimate which has native multi-touch there is no 'one way to rule them all' feel to it. Still feels like you have a different set of rules for some pograms. Still...it's not a dealbreaker...we have Win 7 at work and it works fine.

    The Architecture - Well, this is a little of a dog's breakfast for both a PC tablet and the iPad. You get some good and some bad with everything. To me, your main use will define your hardware purchase (I know..well..duh?). The tablets that are 'blessed' with the Atom processors (especially the early 1.6 ghz series) are S-L-O-W. I dont' care if you're an Apple of PC fanboy...they are not made to truly do more than two items. I am not talking about 'open windows' but more along the lines of having Word, IE, and a simple photo editing program open. If you open files and pages on all 3 and start jumping back and forth (like a teen doing a report on the net would do) you can hear the clock cycles sometimes...and God forbid you have Vista (Oops...I mentioned that crapola again). I have a Dell Mini-12 and I have wanted to pitch it at the nearest wall sometimes. FWIW the Dell Mini 9 I had seemed much faster. Then I hacked it to run OSX and it runs even faster :rolleyes:

    Battery - Ok..before the flames come. Factories lie about battery usage. To get any 'long' life out of a netbook you need a 6 cell battery or bigger. Have you SEEN a 6 cell netbook battery? It's like the freaking hunchback of Notre Dame...the are LARGE. The Dells and Acers with the 4 cell batteries just do not have the battery life (when running everything) to make them truly useable. There is some argument about this but I am talking anecdotal evidence observed from my and others netbooks.

    Size - This is a subjective subject. There are arguments on both sides who say the least is best and others who want all the ports and connections. So far the designs are in flux anyway, so we'll see. Using the HP Slate as an example of the current 'small but all connectors/ports design' no one can argue it's anywhere as light and sleek as the iPad. The Joo-Joo, Adam, and other linux books are not included in this because I fully believe until HP, Sony, or Lenova makes one and HEAVILY MARKETS is cheaply they won't gain much traction with the non-geek crowd. The MS Courier project is not a tablet but a journal (which shares some ideas with the iPad). Microsoft has done an incredible job with the XBOX series and have learned a lot from the 'closed hardware and software' structure (XBOX 360=iMac & XBOX Live and marketplace = iTunes and apps). I have a feeling the Courier is NOT going to be a true tablet but a 'tweener' like the iPad.

    Apple, wrongly or rightly, decided not to do the desktop OS running on a scaled down laptop chip. Instead they upscaled their portable chip and streamlined their portable OS. We'll see if this was brilliance or short-sightedness by Sunday. Apple of course did this because of expense, power use, and it's probably going to be used in the next iPhone desgin :confused: . They used the iPhone OS, obstensibly, because they wanted a 'portable' platform not a 'desktop in a can'. They also can lure in the Touch and iPhone users (a lot of which are NOT mac owners) because of the 'sameness' of the OS. For us mac lovers, we are already used to most of the UI because of it's surface resemblance to OSX. By marrying the small-overhead OS that was tuned for a less capable chip to a super-charged version of a portable chip they get snappy performance without massive OSX rewrites and custom low-power hardware. In other words, for now, Apple is diverging from the majority of "PC" tablets and headed more towards MID type devices (I still don't like that allegory but can't think of a better one).

    I have nothing against the Windows tablets beyond their 'trying to please everyone' designs. Until they can build something that is impervious to software demons, true 'acroos the board' software implimentation, and a compact design with adequate battery usage...all in an affordable package...I can't see how they'll sell these to the masses. Stranger things have happened though, consumers can be a very fickle group to please and / or impress.

    Just my .02 worth..>YMMV<

    Jay
     
  24. Aranince macrumors 65816

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    I would hesistate to call this a rev A device. We have had how many iPhone revisions?
     

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