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I am just going to go now to buy a stand alone TomTom GPS for less than HALF THE COST which is MUCH less than this iPhone software and holder combo.

Just going to throw this out there....you can get Navigon, plus their traffic data integration (coming in mid October) for $10 more than the current price of Tom Tom's app alone (or a total of $109.99). Add in a $20 Kensington iPod window mount (which also fits the iPhone, even with various cases), and you're still $100 less than Tom Tom software and hardware, AND....the whole solution will have TONS more capability than the sub $100 standalone GPS units....FWIW....YMMV....

Tom Tom has really started thinking of themselves as being the APPLE of GPS devices (especially when Navigon pulled out of the U.S. market). But, I think Navigon just did that because they knew what they wanted to have for the iPhone....

Tom Tom has really shot themselves in the foot with this whole iPhone offering.
 
That's actually not a bad point.

Ok, I bought a bluetooth speaker phone at target that works great for $15. Sure, it was on clearance for 50% off. Still, it wasn't $120.

Great speakerphones are less than $50.
 
If they would bundle the app and car kit for $150, I would highly consider this. But over $200 for both, yeah right. That turned me off to this completely.
 
Ok, I bought a bluetooth speaker phone at target that works great for $15. Sure, it was on clearance for 50% off. Still, it wasn't $120.

Great speakerphones are less than $50.

Yeah, I know, if you're smart you can put together a kit of your own that costs less and does more or less the same thing. I'm just saying that it's a feature that I kind of overlooked. And having the all-in-one package might actually appeal to some people. I've seen plenty of bluetooth speakers or integration kits that cost up to $100 or more that just do that one thing.

Don't get me wrong, though; I'm still not going to buy the thing, and I'm certainly not going to pay $100 for the app. But, you know, I can kinda see how somebody might find it appealing.
 
I picked up a refurbed TomTom XL-S ONE for 79.99, twice the screen size of my iPhone and I don't have to worry about getting a call on it and trying to disconnect it from a base on the windshield while driving. Epic FAIL... Glad I went with my gut on that one.
 
If they would bundle the app and car kit for $150, I would highly consider this. But over $200 for both, yeah right. That turned me off to this completely.

no way... under a $100 for both, and I'm in......anything less is stupid!
 
no way... under a $100 for both, and I'm in......anything less is stupid!

$150 would be reasonable if the Tom Tom application had half of the capabilities it should. I mean, the iPhone is an amazing platform, compared to most of the GPS units out there.

With an unlimited data connection, they could have nearly limitless opportunities!

However, Tom Tom used all of this time (remember, they were developing this application before Apple even allowed GPS to be used), to build the simplest software possible. No traffic updates. No Text to Speech. Limited POI's (sure there are a ton, but why can't it be constantly updated with the Data connection???).


Unless TomTom can promise constant and free progression of their application, I don't see why anybody could justify the price of their navigation software.
 
$150 would be reasonable if the Tom Tom application had half of the capabilities it should. I mean, the iPhone is an amazing platform, compared to most of the GPS units out there.

With an unlimited data connection, they could have nearly limitless opportunities!

However, Tom Tom used all of this time (remember, they were developing this application before Apple even allowed GPS to be used), to build the simplest software possible. No traffic updates. No Text to Speech. Limited POI's (sure there are a ton, but why can't it be constantly updated with the Data connection???).


Unless TomTom can promise constant and free progression of their application, I don't see why anybody could justify the price of their navigation software.

If the kit had the speaker, the attachment arm, it's own GPS, AND a bigger screen, then it would be worth it. :D It would also be it's own standalone GPS.

My point, it's great to have an all in one device, but in this case, a mounted GPS, I think it might as well be 2 separate devices. It's not really saving any space, and any stand alone GPS will have a bigger screen and louder speaker and won't interfere with your phone or music. I put my iphone in my pocket, so it's not like it's saving any room by being a phone/gps.

$50 and a $10 arm thingy and it's a buy for me. But $220? Haha.
 
Hmmm. I wonder if the people at TomTom are aware that the iPhone comes with a built-in GPS. All we need is an App for turn-by-turn - and the App Store has that. There is no way in heck that anyone is going to pay $119.00 for a "GPS car kit" when they already have a GPS in their phone, and can buy a generic holder/charger for $19.99 (or less in some cases).
 
Hahaha TomTom is crazy. Who would pay that much for an inferior app? (Based on Navigon app store ratings.)
 
Complete and absolute waste of money

Yes...you read correctly...the price they are charging for what you get on this item is way off base. I have a kensington window mount and a griffin power jolt which are working just fine. I live in Alberta Canada and just did a weeks traveling in various and remote areas. Absolutely no problem with the coverage, signal, or operation of the software.

Why would I pay another huge amount of CAD to get a negligible benefit?

Also....I had Navigon along with me as well and kept using both products for comparison....Sorry to say that Navigon is now a primary navigation aid. Better maps (screen appearance), better interface, easier program navigation. Don't get me wrong...I did use Tom Tom and it is a capable program.

Not to lose track of the purpose of this post....the hardware add on to Tom Tom is way out line with any benefit that you might get. The program works just fine with my much cheaper configuration.

Cheers....:)
 
They can go ahead and keep their solution. $99 for the app is already steep, plus $120 for the receiver sans app is over the top outrageous. Not interested.
 
My question is

Will it work with any other software, or will this unit look for tomtom software?

Because at that price forget it.
 
I wonder what demographic they are looking at

After thinking about it, I don't think the demographic they are going after with this product is people like us. I am thinking they may be going after an older demographics which was a clean look and price, is not that big deal.

Kind of what you see with Bose system, most people I have met who own them are in their 40+

I figure if you have the money and let say you also have a radio that would accept bluetooth stereo and the iphone could interface with it I can see how this product would be seductive.

http://cnettv.cnet.com/parrot-rk8200-bluetooth-car-stereo/9742-1_53-31320.html
 
After thinking about it, I don't think the demographic they are going after with this product is people like us. I am thinking they may be going after an older demographics which was a clean look and price, is not that big deal.

Kind of what you see with Bose system, most people I have met who own them are in their 40+

I figure if you have the money and let say you also have a radio that would accept bluetooth stereo and the iphone could interface with it I can see how this product would be seductive.

http://cnettv.cnet.com/parrot-rk8200-bluetooth-car-stereo/9742-1_53-31320.html

You might be right, I dunno. I am over 40 but I can't say if that's a factor. I have the TomTom app and it works great for me. I'm looking forward to getting the mount too, I love the looks of it and the bluetooth compatibility is the icing on the cake. Having everything seamlessly linked, clean interface and at my fingertips is exactly what I'm after.

$119 just doesn't seem THAT out of line to me. I'll be getting it so I'll be more than happy to give a review if folks want to wait for one. If not, that's ok too.
 
Well, no, it also broadcasts your music, the gps, and the speaker phone over your car radio. Devices that just broadcast your music over the radio cost $80. Add a GPS to that and $100 or more is pretty decent price for the hardware.

You're seriously misinformed. You need to go check out the features again. It doesn't not broadcast anything. There is no built-in FM transmitter. It connects to a car through an audio cable on the edge of the cradle. That's it. It certainly doesn't broadcast the "speaker-phone" over the vehicle radio. It has a speaker built into it (via a bluetooth connection) and that's how it calls are routed.

The features are well known and are well documented in the FCC filing.
 
Considering what this car kit/mount includes, the $120 price is only a little bit high. Furthermore, anyone who had any sense at all and who had been watching the discussions concerning the TomTom car kit already knew a month ago that the car kit was going to cost over $100 (by itself, without the app). Here is what you get with the hardware alone:

1.) A more accurate and responsive GPS receiver (TomTom says it will be better than what is in the iPhone -- we'll have to wait and see on this, but that is one "feature" that will be unique on the iPhone -- at least for the time being).

2.) An improved speaker and microphone to support hands-free calling (once again, TomTom says that it will work better than the built-n speaker/mic on the iPhone -- I can pretty much believe this since it can be hard to hear the iPhone's speaker while driving). There is also a conveniently located toggle-switch to help control the volume.

3.) In-car iPhone charger.

4.) Aux audio output port.

5.) In-car window mount (looks interesting -- we'll have to see if it works better than some of the cheaper, simple window mounts).

Let's assign some prices to each hardware component (as it they were separate items, cost to consumer, not just the manufacturing cost):

GPS receiver - $20 (hard to estimate as they are offering just the bare chip, not a complete GPS unit)

Hands-free speaker and microphone (Bluetooth?) - $40

Window mount and in-car charger - $30

Convenience factors, volume control, audio out port, etc. - $10

Total: $100

As far as I can see, the real "problem" with this device as a bundle is that the TomTom iPhone app is way too expensive. If the TomTom app was say $40 and if it offered a few more features than it did today then the car kit and app bundle would be fairly decent (or at least somewhat competitive with what you can find in a dedicated GPS).

The reason, IMO, that the app is priced so high is that TomTom doesn't want to cannibalize the sales of their dedicated GPS units. The same is probably true of Navigon (priced at $90) since Navigon also makes dedicated GPS units (for Europe, they've quit the U.S. GPS hardware market). It's probably no coincidence that the two highest-priced GPS apps are by the two companies that also make and sell dedicated GPS devices.

Frankly, if they improved the TomTom app from what it is today then I think the car kit and app bundle would be worth about $150 versus today's price of $120 + $100 = $220. So, yes, the bundle is about $70 overpriced and most of that is because of the high price of the app.

As a price-point comparison to the TomTom app I offer these two alternatives:

CoPilot Live - $35 (Does just about everything that the higher-priced apps do and comes from a well-established company in the mobile GPS marketplace).

MotionX Drive - $2.99 (Includes one month of prepaid turn-by-turn, realtime GPS navigation, thereafter $2.99 per month or $25 per year. This app has gotten rave reviews since it debut about one week ago, only problem is that you need an always available wireless network connection -- 3G highly recommended -- and the turn-by-turn features are by subscription only. But $25 per year isn't too bad if you have reliable wireless network coverage. AT&T's similar turn-by-turn GPS service is $10 per month or $100 per year.).
 
As I friend of mine said, and I quote, "if I paid 99$ for the iPhone, the price for this holder is completely ridiculous."

Waiting for the Navigon one, thank you very much.
 
As I friend of mine said, and I quote, "if I paid 99$ for the iPhone, the price for this holder is completely ridiculous."

Waiting for the Navigon one, thank you very much.

Well aI paid $299 for my 32GB 3GS and the price of the holder is still ridiculous.
 
This is REALLY BAD public relations for TomTom. Everyone who owns and iPhone and is sees this $119 "car kit" in a retail store and has never owned a TomTom product now has a subliminal reason to dislike TomTom.
 
brewno said:
As I friend of mine said, and I quote, "if I paid 99$ for the iPhone, the price for this holder is completely ridiculous."...

OneMike said:
Well aI paid $299 for my 32GB 3GS and the price of the holder is still ridiculous.
Well, you are also paying several hundred dollars per year to your carrier (e.g. AT&T) and part of that goes to cover the real cost of the iPhone. I guess you could try to work out a deal with TomTom where you pay them $20 now and then $50 at the end of each year for the next two years. ;) What TomTom needs to do is bundle the app with the car kit for something just north of $150. That way it would be a reasonable option for someone who has an iPhone but doesn't want to buy a standalone GPS unit.
 
The issue for me is that the reason I bought a GPS solution was to have the "all-in-one" solution to avoid having to leave something pricey in the car.

I would CERTAINLY not pay $120 for a mount when the iPhone GPS is pretty sufficient on it's own, and I would CERTAINLY NOT leave a $120 mount in my car to be stolen! Thieves take anything and everything... when my car was broken into last year they stole my GPS charger w/ built in FM receiver. That cost $100 from Garmin, so I decided not to replace it!

Forget this mount - honestly, if it was $40-50, AND worked with Navigon, I would probably get it because the iPhone GPS does sometimes need a little help. But at this price, no way!
 
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