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Proving power by destroying or dividing something is always pretty much easier than create something or even to understand what is actually the best solution for the people/customers. Is anyone of us somehow unsatisfied with the current status? Wild times all over the world.

Never change a running system; the current status fells fine for most of me.
 
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At the same time some of us are working toward a breakup of the EU…
Yep sure why not. What was the point of it in the first place even? \s

In all seriousness, sure there's some bureaucratic waste like all large conglomerations (which I've seen for myself around petty expenses and the like), but to even suggest that Europe is in a better place by scrapping it without any sort of alternative that generally promotes togetherness is not a really smart viewpoint to take.

I speak as someone who's country was certainly reamed by it during the last recession too.

Most in favour of abandonment seem to put forward split-hairs reasons for complete abandonment, which Im not saying you are, but Brexit exists and pushed an exit "strategy" using this sort of reasoning, while ignoring the fact that WW2 is still in our rear-view window.
 
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Simple fact is the EU can't break up a US company... sure they can try but it will never happen. Best they can do is try to enforce new laws and rules. Hopefully they will force companies like Apple to open their ecosystem a little more to allow total separation of apps from OS like Calendar, Notes, Photos, Email, Browser, Assistant, Music etc... Android can do this, Apple can too with no reduction in security. Even when Apple says you can set your default email client, somewhere in the backend code apps still look for email apps and if they don't find the mail app installed and configured they can't send mail... When I set a default app it should be 100% the default!
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Of course, people have gotten used to filing their data with Google, Microsoft... or Apple. That is freedom of choice. If I feel safe with Apple, I stay there, if I don't care, I go to Google etc. The different systems with their different advantages and disadvantages are great.

On the other hand, governments naturally want to organize passports and identities themselves, and since they are technically incapable of doing this (just spending an incredibly much money with e.g. SAP), they need access to the data of the big companies. But that will never reflect our interests.
 
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Of course, people have gotten used to filing their data with Google, Microsoft... or Apple. That is freedom of choice. If I feel safe with Apple, I stay there, if I don't care, I go to Google etc. The different systems with their different advantages and disadvantages are great.

On the other hand, governments naturally want to organize passports and identities themselves, and since they are technically incapable of doing this (just spending an incredibly much money with e.g. SAP), they need access to the data of the big companies. But that will never reflect our interests.
If they use incredible amount of money on SAP, SAP are incompetent. Of course SAP claims poor specifications but what they are after i to milk money from the governments. In one sense you are right, the government leaders are always fooled by companies. I have seen lots of rollouts as an enduser, and I must say, I am glad IT companies are not building cars or airplanes.
 
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Yep sure why not. What was the point of it in the first place even? \s

In all seriousness, sure there's some bureaucratic waste like all large conglomerations (which I've seen for myself around petty expenses and the like), but to even suggest that Europe is in a better place by scrapping it without any sort of alternative that generally promotes togetherness is not a really smart viewpoint to take.

I speak as someone who's country was certainly reamed by it during the last recession too.

Most in favour of abandonment seem to put forward split-hairs reasons for complete abandonment, which Im not saying you are, but Brexit exists and pushed an exit "strategy" using this sort of reasoning, while ignoring the fact that WW2 is still in our rear-view window.
Because you mention WW2, I take the liberty of adding something...
It seems to me that many things in the UK unfortunately resemble the times of the german Weimar Republic post 1933:

A system shuts itself off, declares itself national and strong, complains about losing money (Hitler successfully used the "reparation payments" to foreign countries and to "the Jews" to become strong), tries to build up an autarky (Germany succeeded in perfecting industrialization by producing weapons).
That became terrible as we all know.

What does the UK want to do differently now? Does it have clearer and better plans?
In the case of Brexit, you can see it every day: sadly, no.
Unfortunately, no.

I am sorry for the 48.1% British (16.1 million people) who were simply ignored by their narcissistic Great Leader.
 
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No fan of socialist big tech here, but breaking up the EU would make a lot more sense than breaking up businesses, even somewhat obnoxious ones; governments are usually even more obnoxious, and super-governments are one more layer of opportunity-killing regulations and inefficiency.
 
No fan of socialist big tech here, but breaking up the EU would make a lot more sense than breaking up businesses, even somewhat obnoxious ones; governments are usually even more obnoxious, and super-governments are one more layer of opportunity-killing regulations and inefficiency.
I'm sorry, most people live very well in the EU. So what's all this talk about?
Please judge or speak more cautiously about things that you do not experience yourself.
 
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“Foremost among these, she said, are potentially lengthy court battles between European regulators and the tech companies themselves.”

Whats with these regulators fearing court battles? That ensures that they only pick on the little guys and let’s anyone with deep pockets off the hook. Justice should not be predicated on the number of defense lawyers.

Interesting point, although IMO (a) they shouldn't be picking on anyone, and (b) although I think the idea is badly abused (as in crooked politicians trying to make points by demonizing big business and squeezing out $ or €), there is a notion that the big guys are fair game in ways the little guys aren't, because they're able to exclude others in a way the little guys can't - but that's only valid if there's a solid argument that they're really doing that.

Nice icon, btw; I dimly recall mention of the symbolism in grade school civics, back when there still was such a thing. :)
 
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Yep sure why not. What was the point of it in the first place even? \s

In all seriousness, sure there's some bureaucratic waste like all large conglomerations (which I've seen for myself around petty expenses and the like), but to even suggest that Europe is in a better place by scrapping it without any sort of alternative that generally promotes togetherness is not a really smart viewpoint to take.

I speak as someone who's country was certainly reamed by it during the last recession too.

Most in favour of abandonment seem to put forward split-hairs reasons for complete abandonment, which Im not saying you are, but Brexit exists and pushed an exit "strategy" using this sort of reasoning, while ignoring the fact that WW2 is still in our rear-view window.
Bureaucracy is all EU is about. There is NO innovation in the EU, NO European alternatives to Facebook / Twitter or Weibo / Weixin, NO European Google / Baidu, NO European Apple / Samsung /Xiaomi / Huawei, and so on.

Europe used to lead the world in EVERY regard, from science and tech to art and manufacturing, but has since committed suicide twice and become a regulatory nightmare under the European Soviet Union. All the EU has done is completely destroy the internet with its TOTALLY useless cookie laws and what have you not.
 
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Bureaucracy is all EU is about. There is NO innovation in the EU, NO European alternatives to Facebook / Twitter or Weibo / Weixin, NO European Google / Baidu, NO European Apple / Samsung /Xiaomi / Huawei, and so on.

Europe used to lead the world in EVERY regard, from science and tech to art and manufacturing, but has since committed suicide twice and become a regulatory nightmare under the European Soviet Union. All the EU has done is completely destroy the internet with its TOTALLY useless cookie laws and what have you not.
LOL. May I ask you in which country you live and where you were born?
 
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Sure. I live in a EU country, where i was also born. And?
Your opinion is a minority opinion. I respect it, but it is not at all typical of us Europeans. So it is a very personal opinion that you are spreading here. Maybe the EU did kill your dog or something...
If you do not like it here, you will get applause somewhere else. No one will stop you, feel free.
 
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Your opinion is a minority opinion. I respect it, but it is not at all typical of us Europeans. So it is a very personal opinion that you are spreading here. Maybe the EU did kill your dog or something...
If you do not like it here, you will get applause somewhere else. No one will stop you, feel free.
It was the majority opinion in Britain when they held an election and decided to withdraw. It was very personal for the Brits and their and not the EU’s decision to make.
 
"The legislation is set to bring a range of aggressive regulations on big tech companies, such as obligations to share data with competitors"

And that is where it all falls apart. I thought the EU was really big on peoples data belonging to them and only them. Guess not. Apparently if I choose to buy an Apple product and choose to share my data with Apple, the EU thinks Apple should then be compelled to share it with anyone and everyone they compete with......now and in the future. So any wackjob or scammer can claim to be making some half ass app, when really they just want to get their hands on that nice juicy juicy data. And Apple will have to comply!!!! Mr Frank E Scamalot just made a maps app that barely works and gets you lost constantly......presto chango, he is now a Apple competitor. Hand over all your data Apple. I buy a companies product, I can be onboard with them having my data, NOT everyone they compete with. Oy
 
I don't see a reason for the break up, all current products do have a competitor. Unlike AT&T that owned all the phone network or Standard Oil that owned all the oil supply.

The only tight area is smartphone OS which is basically just iOS and Android.
 
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