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cmaier said:
That’s why i propose they (1) at least offer a “gamer” version with included controllers and (2) permit app developers to distribute apps that need controllers to run (right now they need to make the app also work with the remote, which sucks)
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I think they’re allowed to make games for ATV that require controllers. Oceanhorn 2 for example. My issue is that Apple Arcade games have to work on every platform (phone, mac, iPad, ATV).

I think the big problem we’re seeing is that the mobile user base and streaming box user base as a whole is too cheap to pay for apps.

If they want to be competitive in the gaming market, they need to give gamers a reason to look at Apple TV. They can’t target the streaming box users and mobile phone users because you need in app purchases to turn a profit with those users. That means AAA developers making full titles that not only work with PS5, and Xbox Series X, but also with Apple TV.

That’s the first step and they’re never gonna get there because they think there is a market of people who will pay close to $200 to play games that nobody has heard of when in reality people would just buy a Switch Lite.
 
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IMO Apple should make the Apple TV turn into "an iPad Pro with no screen": in 2021 that would be A14X, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, iPadOS, full mouse/trackpad/keyboard support, all iPadOS apps (Files, Safari, Mail, Pages, Word, Excel etc), and also Arcade games of course, starting at $400, that would replace the Mac mini for most users for half the price. And the Mac mini should become Pro, with same specs as the iMac, with dedicated GPU options.
 
I just want a MacBook Pro with Magsafe again. Some actual ports I can use, updated hardware and ram and SSD i can upgrade. Since Jonny left they seem to be slightly going back to how they used to be. How many times i have tripped over cables and pulled peoples MBPs off tables because of this stupid USB C ****.
 
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If the iPhone 12 has the flat edges, it's my next phone... the smallest size. My XR is too big and bulky!
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cmaier said:
What is it people are hoping for in the new ATV?
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A better remote.

A Netflix app that doesn't die a slow death on a WiFi connection. Not sure what's up there, but I had to connect our AppleTV via Ethernet for that problem to go away.
 
$700 extra for a 5600M instead of a 5500M on the new MBP16 is rip-off. They should just replace the 5500 with the 5600 as a new upgrade at the same price. Apple is getting more and more ridiculous in their pricing.
 
coolfactor said:
If the iPhone 12 has the flat edges, it's my next phone... the smallest size. My XR is too big and bulky!
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A better remote.

A Netflix app that doesn't die a slow death on a WiFi connection. Not sure what's up there, but I had to connect our AppleTV via Ethernet for that problem to go away.
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Agree re the remote, but you don’t need a new atv for that.
As for your Netflix problems, sounds like you have Bad WiFi. Three atvs here and no such issues.
 
cmaier said:
My point is simply that you still aren’t going to see AAA games on Apple TV unless Apple does something about storage, game controllers, and changes App Store policies. All you will see is iPad apps with better graphics.
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I'm talking specifically about Apple Arcade, which involves Apple providing financial support to the developers who make original games for the service. You sound like you're talking about the App Store, which is a different model. Apple rolled out Apple Arcade specifically to solve some of the shortcomings with gaming on the App Store, one of which is that the games in Arcade are playable on all of Apple's hardware...phone, tablet, laptop/desktop, ATV. It's designed to encourage big screen gaming, not just phones/tablets. That's why I'm saying the ATV can't lag too far behind the other hardware in terms of graphic capability.
 
if aapl comes out with some sort of foldable phone
it better be quoting mr jobs "..insanely great...
 
gnipgnop said:
I'm talking specifically about Apple Arcade, which involves Apple providing financial support to the developers who make original games for the service. You sound like you're talking about the App Store, which is a different model. Apple rolled out Apple Arcade specifically to solve some of the shortcomings with gaming on the App Store, one of which is that the games in Arcade are playable on all of Apple's hardware...phone, tablet, laptop/desktop, ATV. It's designed to encourage big screen gaming, not just phones/tablets. That's why I'm saying the ATV can't lag too far behind the other hardware in terms of graphic capability.
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I guess. But I’m not seeing a lot of Apple Arcade games that come close to taxing any device’s graphics capabilities.
 
cmaier said:
I guess. But I’m not seeing a lot of Apple Arcade games that come close to taxing any device’s graphics capabilities.
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The graphics scale to the hardware, similar to how PC games work. Textures and lighting and particle effects will get more sophisticated on devices with better GPU processing. That dynamic will be more obvious in the 3D games, but games like Shinseki: Into the Depths definitely show differences in graphic quality too. 'Beyond a Steel Sky' is an upcoming 3D game that will likely have a wide range of graphic quality on different devices. This video has various clips from that game right at the start.

 
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cmaier said:
I don’t think the problem with ATV and gaming is a hardware problem. Maybe I’m wrong. But it seems to me if they sold the damned things with bundled controllers and then let devs write games that could only be played with controllers (and didn’t mandate that games had to be playable with the remote), it would go a long way.
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afaik, controllers can be mandatory now - i recently started a game (agent a) which required a controller.

unfortunately, what didn't work with the game was icloud cross-saving... It's probably not about the hardware, although the appletv could use more ram and a more refined gpu to compete with the switch or other consoles. It's probably more about caring ablut gaming, developer relationships and encouraging bigger and more polished games. E.g. the switch has zelda: breath of the wild, the appletv has oceanhorn 2 - to say, that's not in the same league would be a massive understatement.
 
It's unbelievable how Apple keeps updating GPUs without providing any answer for users who work in the 3D industry and would like to switch to GPU render engines like Octane. Even Maya now had a GPU render feature on Arnold.
This is seriously a stupid lack of important feature from apple.
 
fbr$ said:
Did you try https://snapnator.com/ or other similar options?
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No but thanks. Weird how i have to spend more money on something that was standard. Plus that solves my macbook issue but not other macbook pro users who dont use them. still stupid removing it
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AussieStu said:
No but thanks. Weird how i have to spend more money on something that was standard. Plus that solves my macbook issue but not other macbook pro users who dont use them. still stupid removing it
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fbr$ said:
Did you try https://snapnator.com/ or other similar options?
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Plus thats a $100 extra cash a person needs to come up with. Again.. Shouldnt have been removed.
 
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