This isn't about paying more... this is about partnering with a company that knows what they are doing. I expect that labor is more expensive there, so cost of labor isn't the point. This is all about capitalism. If you want to see this happen in America, then go out and create a superior display company. Geniuses don't grow on trees. You can't just start building a product anywhere. There is a reason that China doesn't build decent cars. If they could you bet they would. It takes a lot of time and investment to be good at something.
Toshiba and Apple to Invest $1.2 Billion in Factory to Produce iPhone LCDs
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This isn't about paying more... this is about partnering with a company that knows what they are doing. I expect that labor is more expensive there, so cost of labor isn't the point. This is all about capitalism. If you want to see this happen in America, then go out and create a superior display company. Geniuses don't grow on trees. You can't just start building a product anywhere. There is a reason that China doesn't build decent cars. If they could you bet they would. It takes a lot of time and investment to be good at something.
I'd say it's getting there. Outdoors (or otherwise in bright light) LCDs are still more readable/viewable than OLEDs. And they're less expensive, too. (The theoretical power savings of OLEDs aren't quite being realized yet either, in part because they have to be so much brighter than LCDs to maintain the viewability in bright light.)
OLEDs run into the same problem as any other purely emissive light source. It has to be bright enough in comparison to the ambient light to be visible. It's like trying to tell if a 20W incandescent bulb is turned on. At night, there's no problem. Outside, at noon, on a sunny day, in the middle of summer is an entirely different story.
For the record, I've been cheering on OLED technology since it was in its infancy, and certain colors had a life-span in the hundreds of hours. (I'm thinking it was blue that had that issue early on, but it's been years, so I'm not sure I'm remembering that correctly.)
Ummm..... this is Japan..... not a developing country.... maybe we should complain about all those underpaid workers in Canada? What is up with all the off topic comments?
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cocky jeremy
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I know this is probably just iPad related, but i'd love for it to be a real Apple TV.
Work on the plant will start by early next year, with the production due to begin in the second half of 2011
... at least that what the article says. If that's true then it will likely be for iPhone 5.
P.
You know, this nor the original article mention where the factory is, though I'd make the same bet as you. I also had the same reaction.
In other news from the side posts on Reuters, Liz Hurley is single. Now that's good to hear! I mean, our thoughts are with her in this trying time.
A bit of information relating to Toshiba's LTPS displays
http://www.tmdisplay.com/tm_dsp/en/technology/sog.html
http://www.tmdisplay.com/tm_dsp/en/technology/sog.html
TennisandMusic
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Wrong. The Samsung Focus has a SAMOLED and looks great outside, just as readable as the iPhone 4 (I know because I have both). On top of that, the SAMOLED looks way better than LCD in normal conditions.
The first thing I thought when I read this story was that I was disappointed that Apple is going to continue to use LCD when the rest of the world (Android, WP7) is moving on to a vastly superior display method. It's not even close. Oh well...
Thex1138
macrumors 6502a
It sounds more like an existing factory refit rather than a completely new one.
But if it starts production by the end of 2011... Apple would be 6 months into iP5.
Just gotta hang tight n find out..
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BC2009
macrumors 68020
No, I should have said "some unions" or "many unions". I was too general in my statement (again it's not all cut-and-dry). But my brother-in-law has been a union worker for 10 years and it seems the agreement with his employer is written in such a way that they have no problem finding the loopholes required to keep him from certain benefits and reducing his hours -- yet his union keeps on collecting his union dues. My father paid his dues to join a union and become a bartender -- but the union contract was setup to protect the existing union workers and screw the new guys. The contract allowed the employer to lay off bartenders for no reason as long as they had not worked more than X shifts -- the hotel he worked for made a habit of laying folks off when they reached X-1 shifts to avoid benefits and increased hours. The union just kept sending new union members to that hotel to replace those whom had been laid off and kept on collecting union dues.
I'm sure there are plenty of examples of bad and good for unions -- but they are hardly the savior of the american workforce.
Thex1138
macrumors 6502a
ericinboston
macrumors 68020
You're telling me that a company is going to build a production facility starting sometime in 2011 and BEGIN producing goods by end of 2011?! Come on. You can't build a Walgreens in the USA in under a year let alone some giant (much much larger than a Walgreens I bet) production facility. Putting all the permits and permissions aside, the actual construction of the plant should take far longer than 6-9 months.
As someone said, they should have invested in USA. I agree.
As someone said, they should have invested in USA. I agree.
iPhysicist
macrumors 65816
Yes? Other thoughts or opinions you want to womit on hard working people?!
Yes it is possible. AMD FAB 35 in Germany was built within 9 month and started production within this time.
And again. The major investor is Toshiba and not Apple damnit. They want THEIR facility in their country with highly educated and willing workers.
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This Factory is in Japan!!!! Last time i checked japan is a developed country, the people are on good money the average japanese person has over $100.000 dollars in savings!!!! Yes that is correct no one is being exploited in this deal.
This Factory is in Japan!!!! Last time i checked japan is a developed country, the people are on good money the average japanese person has over $100.000 dollars in savings!!!! Yes that is correct no one is being exploited in this deal.
Yeah, then get ready to pay $1000 for your iPhone with 2 year contract.
timinbovey
macrumors newbie
"A little bit more"?
You would not pay "a little bit more" to have "Made in the USA" on your Apple products. You would pay roughly 4 TIMES the current price. I'm sure most Americans would be happy to pay $800 - $1000 for their 8 gb ipods, etc. $5000 dollar laptops, anyone? Not only are there higher labor costs, but drastically increased costs of doing business in this country.
As for exploiting workers in other countries -- imagine if we could instantly pull all American companies out of foreign lands and remove all those jobs. Millions suddenly unemployed. No longer being "exploited" but instead just laying homeless in the streets dying. To most people working in these factories, it's a job just like any job here. they need to pay their bills and live their lives. Don't expect their lives to be like yours. It's a completely different culture.
You would not pay "a little bit more" to have "Made in the USA" on your Apple products. You would pay roughly 4 TIMES the current price. I'm sure most Americans would be happy to pay $800 - $1000 for their 8 gb ipods, etc. $5000 dollar laptops, anyone? Not only are there higher labor costs, but drastically increased costs of doing business in this country.
As for exploiting workers in other countries -- imagine if we could instantly pull all American companies out of foreign lands and remove all those jobs. Millions suddenly unemployed. No longer being "exploited" but instead just laying homeless in the streets dying. To most people working in these factories, it's a job just like any job here. they need to pay their bills and live their lives. Don't expect their lives to be like yours. It's a completely different culture.
timinbovey
macrumors newbie
Big box?
I live in a town of about 10,000 people that in the last few years has gained a Super Wal-Mart. This Wal-Mart employes hundreds of people. Lets get rid of the evil non-union Wal-Mart and see if the local business community can provide all those jobs. Lets see if all the Mom and Pop shops downtown will suddenly stay open evenings and weekends, nights too. To provide jobs for students, Mom's trying to work around kids schedules, senior citizens who want to make a few bucks and get out and have something to do. I'm sure the local hardware store will donate thousands to the local schools and non-profits like Wal-Mart does. I'm sure the local pharmacy will start selling their prescriptions for $4 instead of $35 for so those without insurance can afford them. I'm sure the business community will have no trouble absorbing those workers. I know people will all be happy to pay $1900 for their computers from the private computer store downtown, than one of equal specs from that darn big box store for $400. We'll all suddenly be right enough to pay list price at the private shops, right?
My Son worked as a mechanic in a Wal-mart auto shop. He was paid more than the locally owned Goodyear shop, AND he got a bonus every quarter for meeting quota and not having any injuries, which added to his bottom line. This was a substantial bonus of several hundred dollars. That's a bonus 4 times a year. My daughter also worked in a Wal-Mart. She got regular raises, and at least SOME health care coverage. The local store she worked for offered none. They worked around her schedule and that of her kids, the local store couldn't do that.
Hate to have to be the one to tell you, but big box stores DO have value in a community. Sure, some of your $$ may leave town, but all those people who WORK there are your neighbors. You worry about your money going to a big corporation -- unless your local store is making all their merchandise by hand, themselves in the back room, money is leaving the area and going to big corporations in the way of wholesalers, distributors, manufacturers, etc. A big part of the reason Wal-mart has lower prices is because they DO buy huge quantities direct from manufacturers and eliminate 2 to 4 middlemen who all take a markup.
People need to realize that big box retailers do some good in their communities, too.
Because none of your neighbors WORK in that BIG BOX store, right? Those are all aliens beamed down strictly to supply that store with workers, right? You wouldn't want to accidentally help any of the hundreds of your neighbors who work there, right?
I live in a town of about 10,000 people that in the last few years has gained a Super Wal-Mart. This Wal-Mart employes hundreds of people. Lets get rid of the evil non-union Wal-Mart and see if the local business community can provide all those jobs. Lets see if all the Mom and Pop shops downtown will suddenly stay open evenings and weekends, nights too. To provide jobs for students, Mom's trying to work around kids schedules, senior citizens who want to make a few bucks and get out and have something to do. I'm sure the local hardware store will donate thousands to the local schools and non-profits like Wal-Mart does. I'm sure the local pharmacy will start selling their prescriptions for $4 instead of $35 for so those without insurance can afford them. I'm sure the business community will have no trouble absorbing those workers. I know people will all be happy to pay $1900 for their computers from the private computer store downtown, than one of equal specs from that darn big box store for $400. We'll all suddenly be right enough to pay list price at the private shops, right?
My Son worked as a mechanic in a Wal-mart auto shop. He was paid more than the locally owned Goodyear shop, AND he got a bonus every quarter for meeting quota and not having any injuries, which added to his bottom line. This was a substantial bonus of several hundred dollars. That's a bonus 4 times a year. My daughter also worked in a Wal-Mart. She got regular raises, and at least SOME health care coverage. The local store she worked for offered none. They worked around her schedule and that of her kids, the local store couldn't do that.
Hate to have to be the one to tell you, but big box stores DO have value in a community. Sure, some of your $$ may leave town, but all those people who WORK there are your neighbors. You worry about your money going to a big corporation -- unless your local store is making all their merchandise by hand, themselves in the back room, money is leaving the area and going to big corporations in the way of wholesalers, distributors, manufacturers, etc. A big part of the reason Wal-mart has lower prices is because they DO buy huge quantities direct from manufacturers and eliminate 2 to 4 middlemen who all take a markup.
People need to realize that big box retailers do some good in their communities, too.
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Eraserhead
macrumors G4
But then you're taking jobs away from other people. Not every job can be created in the US.
Quite.
Darn right I am.
This is wrong when our country is so hurting for jobs.
Why can't they build this in the USA?
I'm sure that between Apple and Toshiba they could get the bureaucrats to give them a tax break or whatever....let alone some kind of local State aid.
What state would not want this facility in their back yard.
Shameful.
I think I'm gonna write to Steve
Haven't you noticed. We don't have any jobs here so what are you talking about.
Eraserhead
macrumors G4
You know your unemployment rate (per national definitions and latest figures) is only 0.2 percentage points higher than China's? And lower than India's by 1 percentage point and that it is the same as France.
Yes you do, maybe not enough, maybe not at every skill level, but the US isn't totally job free.
Cool.
So let's support the rest of the world while millions here remain homeless and starving.