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iPod touch Touch 4G - 0.7 megapixel camera??

ericinboston said:
Please don't try to convince me that a 1MP camera takes the same quality pictures as a 5MP...or 10MP...or 90MP.
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Depends on the camera. Nikon D1 (1999) has a 2MP sensor, and can take better pictures than any mobile device today.

Megapixels has to do with size and size only!

Of course, the sensors have developed in quality (ISO-capabilities and stuff) along side the megapixel-mania... so certain cameras today may take better pictures than old cameras... but that is not because they have more megapixels.
 
ntrigue said:
Originally Posted by ntrigue
I think you'll discover a little item called a contract makes your arguement null, void, and stupid.

iPod Touch 32GB = $299
iPhone 4 32GB = $699

iPhone 4 32GB = $399 + $2500 = $2899

Adjusted for imbecile that is still wrong.
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More on using iPhone as iPod touch: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3406.
This works for iPhone 3G and 3GS. I do not know what happens with iPhone 4 if you pull out the SIM. Can anybody try and report back? Will it work as a touch?
 
Bytor65 said:
More than you think. Naturally it isn't the whole story. Apples gross margin is 36%. Some product will have fatter margins (iPhone) and some the will have to accept slimmer margins( Touch).

But on a slimmer margin product like the Touch, saving $10 dollars on a camera is a huge savings. Another $10 on not having an IPS screen, another $2 on a weaker battery. It all ads up. Apple has a minimum margin which they will accept from a product. These cuts help them make that mark.

So it is a combination of lower margin, removing all Cell phone parts, and cost reductions on all other parts that gets them to a target that lets this device even exist.

Touch is very successful, do you notice that none of Apples competitors seems to be stripping the cell parts out of their cells and offering a competing device? Likely because the margins are very tight.
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I dont believe most money conscious consumers care about this. the bottom line is that Apple is gouging the consumer. No amount of defending or rationalizing Apple's actions are going to change this or make it easier to swallow. :)
 
Neebee said:
I dont believe most money conscious consumers care about this. the bottom line is that Apple is gouging the consumer. No amount of defending or rationalizing Apple's actions are going to change this or make it easier to swallow. :)
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Customers buy what customers like. If a different company wanted to make an equivalent featured product for less money they would buy it. The thing is that no equivalent exists.
 
Very true. That's why I'll get an iPod touch for the wife when available which of course I'll use and next year I'll be getting the iPhone 5, not so much for the phone (it's not that good anyways imo) but it'll be at least it'll have the antenna issue resolved unlike the 4th gen model with Apple's bandaid solution.
 
Stop Complaining

Man oh man.............. .7MP.......... its an IPOD for goodness sakes, you want to take top quality photos, buy a DSLR!!!!!!! I am happy enough with HD video, retina display, A4 chip, Facetime camera et al.
Really some people are just never happy.
"If you don´t like the touch don't buy one, leaves more for those of us who do!!!!!!"
By the way quick question will skype ever be allowed to use the facetime camera for their calls?
 
astrosinmyeyes said:
Man oh man.............. .7MP.......... its an IPOD for goodness sakes, you want to take top quality photos, buy a DSLR!!!!!!! I am happy enough with HD video, retina display, A4 chip, Facetime camera et al.
Really some people are just never happy.
"If you don´t like the touch don't buy one, leaves more for those of us who do!!!!!!"
By the way quick question will skype ever be allowed to use the facetime camera for their calls?
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lol. some people will never get it....everyone is entitled to their opinion. if you dont want to read the posts you don't like, dont tell people what to do. time to move on. 'nuff said. :p
 
What I'm really interested is in whether it does autofocus and how good its low light performance is. The 720p resolution is bad but probably good enough for most of the stuff people usually do with camera phones. Somehow I don't feel too good about autofocus though. :(
 
tubemonkey said:
Man oh man, Skype? It's an iPod for goodness sake. If you wish to make Skype video calls, then buy a webcam for your computer!!!
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It's an ipod that already contains a camera for this very function.

I didn't take my computer on my six week international vacation. I took my ipod. Skype got a lot of usage. Enabling this now existing hardware for Skype would be very nice.
 
Jimmy James said:
It's an ipod that already contains a camera for this very function.

I didn't take my computer on my six week international vacation. I took my ipod. Skype got a lot of usage. Enabling this now existing hardware for Skype would be very nice.
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It contains a cam for FaceTime with other compatible iOS devices.

Take a netbook next time. My son doesn't like to carry his digital camera with him on a daily basis. Placing existing hardware from the iPhone into the touch would have been nice.
 
fertilized-egg said:
What I'm really interested is in whether it does autofocus and how good its low light performance is. The 720p resolution is bad but probably good enough for most of the stuff people usually do with camera phones. Somehow I don't feel too good about autofocus though. :(
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As it is advertised as having "tap to set exposure" rather than the iPhones "Tap to Focus" I would say it will use a fixed focus lens, it is also using a backside illumination sensor so it should perform better in low light than your average phone camera.
 
Jimmy James said:
It's an ipod that already contains a camera for this very function.

I didn't take my computer on my six week international vacation. I took my ipod. Skype got a lot of usage. Enabling this now existing hardware for Skype would be very nice.
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Isnt Skype already working on the Touch? It's available at the App Store and it says Touch and iPhone.

The Touch contains an A4 cpu and it is robust enough to handle video and VOIP calling. Although I am not a fan of the .6 MP camera, it's more than adequate for video calling. I dunno why so many people in this thread are beligerant or defensive while posting their opinions. :confused:
 
J&JPolangin said:
...if AT&T is the only USA carrier, why would that do you any good to have an iPhone with out a contract?

Now if you could use the 3G iPad data plan, that may be a decent deal but the network probably sees the unit as an actual iPhone vise an iPad due to the sim card...
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Unlocking. You do know that unlocking the iPhone allows people to use it on Tmobile, right?
 
tubemonkey said:
It contains a cam for FaceTime with other compatible iOS devices.

Take a netbook next time. My son doesn't like to carry his digital camera with him on a daily basis. Placing existing hardware from the iPhone into the touch would have been nice.
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It contains a cam for video conferencing. FaceTime happens to be the implementation, currently to the unnecessary exclusion of other more common methods and devices. And that is too bad.

The arrival of Skype to iOS devices already often eliminates the need for bringing a netbook in the first place. That is a very good thing. I am thankful that I didn't need to bring anything more than my ipod on my travels.

In any case, video conferencing is really of inconsequential importance to me.

And shouldn't we be getting an iPad instead of a netbook? Oh, wait...
 
Neebee said:
Isnt Skype already working on the Touch? It's available at the App Store and it says Touch and iPhone.

The Touch contains an A4 cpu and it is robust enough to handle video and VOIP calling. Although I am not a fan of the .6 MP camera, it's more than adequate for video calling. I dunno why so many people in this thread are beligerant or defensive while posting their opinions. :confused:
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I believe you have misunderstood my post.

Yes, skype works for iOS devices. Thankfully. The new camera on the ipod touch 4 currently does not allow for skype video conferencing. That is too bad but not a big deal (for me).
 
There is a review by endgadget that show the quality of the camera.

It's sure not the iphone 4 quality or resolution but quite good for my point of view for quick shoot and facebook pics.

Here is the review

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/07/i...h-review-2010/

And a pic sample of the review :

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I love it :)
 
Good exposure and DR for still pictures but otherwise they look very unimpressive. Coarse resolution and noisy not to mention the lack of AF. On the other hand that 720p video is surprisingly good and looks like it can compete with more expensive smartphones.
 
Jimmy James said:
I believe you have misunderstood my post.

Yes, skype works for iOS devices. Thankfully. The new camera on the ipod touch 4 currently does not allow for skype video conferencing. That is too bad but not a big deal (for me).
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thanks for clarifying. i wonder why it doesnt allow for video conferencing? For me, it's a non issue too but even the .7 MP lens should be able to handle it? I thought I read engadget's review that even with the iphone 4, the new touch with facetime was choppy at times. I suspect this may be an issue with the CPU as they wrote their wifi signal was great. I do suspect Cydia will have an app that allows skype video conferencing.

Alkyrian said:
There is a review by endgadget that show the quality of the camera.

It's sure not the iphone 4 quality or resolution but quite good for my point of view for quick shoot and facebook pics.

Here is the review

And a pic sample of the review :

I love it :)
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I wouldnt go as far as saying, "I love it" but I think the pic is acceptable. My older BlackBerry takes better pics. lol.
 
I love it for what it is : An ipod which do many thing like listening music and videos, playing games, using apps and make funny pics and videos.

You know it's been more than 3 days than i see post of people whining about the bad pics of the touch and all but i think the "haters" have completly missed the point of the device.

So for my opinion :

1) I agree that a 5. megapixel camera would be nice but i dont think apple wants is iphone being cannibalized by the touch so we have to live with it for now.

2) If you want the 5 megapixel camera, the GPS and all the bells and whistle apple will sell you the ipod touch which doing it : The iphone 4, yes the price is different, 799 $ without contract but if you want it go for it.

3) I think that for the price/feature apple offers, the ipod touch 4th is a great deal and the price is right balanced the only thing i loved to have is 3G like the Ipad but i can live without it.

I think that , the real question each one have to ask themselve is : Do i want to pay between 229 and 399 for the touch (8 to 64 g) and dont have the GPS, 5 megapixel camera IPS display and 3G or do i want to pay 799 $ and have the iphone 4 with all the missing features.

At the end you can chose so dont need to whine anymore :)

PS : Sorry for my english its not my native language :D
 
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