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Not sure if this has been posted, I just skimmed though, but if it only takes stills at 960x720, but records at 1280x720, does that mean they aren't pushing the camera to take it's best stills, or is the 720p stretched from 960x720. >.>
 
Apple should have just had video on the new ipod touch, then nobody would be upset... actually, then everybody would wonder why they couldn't even have included a camera with a low resolution for social networks.
 
Not sure if this has been posted, I just skimmed though, but if it only takes stills at 960x720, but records at 1280x720, does that mean they aren't pushing the camera to take it's best stills, or is the 720p stretched from 960x720. >.>

i want to know this also...because apple never said the cam was 0.7mp they said it took stills at 960x720 (that doesn't means it has a 0.7 cam) maybe maybe we're just assuming it's a 0.7 camera.it probably really a 3mp-5mp camera there that takes amazing hd pics the same quality as iphone 4...apple probably just set the pictures to come out a smaller size which is 960x720.

either it takes some of the most horrible pictures in the world since 1999 (which would be a total disrespect/spit in the face to they're customers) or it takes iphone 4 pic quality but at a smaller size
 
Well you have to remember, the Touch has a newer, thinner form factor. Because of this, it cannot support a larger sensor. Therefore, it now has a crappy 0.7 MP camera.

You know, people can exclaim "it's better than nothing", but in this case, nothing is better.

Just give me the front-facing camera if you won't include a 3MP back camera. Jesus, the iPhone is as thin as I need any device to be. And besides, a 0.35" (0.02 less than the iPhone) is plenty to support a 3MP sensor.
 
Specs...

i want to know this also...because apple never said the cam was 0.7mp they said it took stills at 960x720 (that doesn't means it has a 0.7 cam) maybe maybe we're just assuming it's a 0.7 camera.it probably really a 3mp-5mp camera there that takes amazing hd pics the same quality as iphone 4...apple probably just set the pictures to come out a smaller size which is 960x720.

either it takes some of the most horrible pictures in the world since 1999 (which would be a total disrespect/spit in the face to they're customers) or it takes iphone 4 pic quality but at a smaller size

Here are the specs for the iPhone 4:

Video recording, HD (720p) up to 30 frames per second with audio
5-megapixel still camera


Here are the specs for the iPod Touch 4

Video recording, HD (720p) up to 30 frames per second with audio;
still photos (960 x 720) with back camera


I hope you are right, but I don't see how.
 
i want to know this also...because apple never said the cam was 0.7mp they said it took stills at 960x720 (that doesn't means it has a 0.7 cam) maybe maybe we're just assuming it's a 0.7 camera.it probably really a 3mp-5mp camera there that takes amazing hd pics the same quality as iphone 4...apple probably just set the pictures to come out a smaller size which is 960x720.

either it takes some of the most horrible pictures in the world since 1999 (which would be a total disrespect/spit in the face to they're customers) or it takes iphone 4 pic quality but at a smaller size


Do the math. 960 x 720 = 691200 pixels / 1000000 = 0.69 megapixels.

We didn't just pull 0.7 MP out of nowhere.

However, MP doesn't speak much about the quality of the pictures. It could be good, or crap.
 
Not sure if this has been posted, I just skimmed though, but if it only takes stills at 960x720, but records at 1280x720, does that mean they aren't pushing the camera to take it's best stills, or is the 720p stretched from 960x720. >.>

I'm guessing it's a native 1280x720 sensor with the photo part just cropping 320 px off. It looks like it has a fixed focus lens (like orig &3g iPhone) with no 'tap to focus' feature like iphone4, as the form factor is to slim for an autofocus lens system.
 
Wow!So we r arguing for missing pixel on an mp3 player!Gr8 goin guys.Well first thing first...
I presume most of u guys r from US or other countries where iphone is sold on an contract.If u look at other countries where they r sold without contract(where apple charges customers at once)you'll find apple charges around $700 for an iphone 4 basic model.Don't trust me?You can check out the international stores and can try converting it into dollars.
Had the price of itouch been more by 50-100$ with addition of a better camera,flash and may be a glass back,I think it would have been too much for a music player.Then people could have argued why to pay so much for a music player.
Secondly,how many of u actually click on ur phones/mp3 players and print them.Do u actually count on ur phone while on vacations?I don't think so.even for a picnic i guess we use a digi cam.
0.7 MP definitely is lesser,in fact i sold my 1st gen 8gb 3 days back planning to buy the new 1.Now I'm waiting for more detailed reviews.
Its a music oriented device and no one pointed out the launch of itunes 10.I guess camera on a music player will only be good for uploading pics on facebook etc.
No one points out absence of A4,Camera,retina etc. on iPad.I dunno why!
I think 32gb model is a gr8 device considering its a music oriented device.Had they given an OLED or a lesser quality display I think that could have been really an issue.In fact last year itouch 32gb was priced at $299 and look at this year's 32gb with the same price.With 1gh processor its comparable to probably more than half the lot of tablets.
And with so much,ITS JUST A MP3 PLAYER!
I love :apple:
 
Wow!So we r arguing for missing pixel on an mp3 player!Gr8 goin guys.Well first thing first...
I presume most of u guys r from US or other countries where iphone is sold on an contract.If u look at other countries where they r sold without contract(where apple charges customers at once)you'll find apple charges around $700 for an iphone 4 basic model.Don't trust me?You can check out the international stores and can try converting it into dollars.
Had the price of itouch been more by 50-100$ with addition of a better camera,flash and may be a glass back,I think it would have been too much for a music player.Then people could have argued why to pay so much for a music player.
Secondly,how many of u actually click on ur phones/mp3 players and print them.Do u actually count on ur phone while on vacations?I don't think so.even for a picnic i guess we use a digi cam.
0.7 MP definitely is lesser,in fact i sold my 1st gen 8gb 3 days back planning to buy the new 1.Now I'm waiting for more detailed reviews.
Its a music oriented device and no one pointed out the launch of itunes 10.I guess camera on a music player will only be good for uploading pics on facebook etc.
No one points out absence of A4,Camera,retina etc. on iPad.I dunno why!
I think 32gb model is a gr8 device considering its a music oriented device.Had they given an OLED or a lesser quality display I think that could have been really an issue.In fact last year itouch 32gb was priced at $299 and look at this year's 32gb with the same price.With 1gh processor its comparable to probably more than half the lot of tablets.
And with so much,ITS JUST A MP3 PLAYER!
I love :apple:

Where's the gibberish-to-english translation button when you need it????
 
Had the price of itouch been more by 50-100$ with addition of a better camera,flash and may be a glass back,I think it would have been too much for a music player.Then people could have argued why to pay so much for a music player.

I don't consider the touch a music player any more than I consider the ipad a music player. If I wanted a pure music player I would get a Walkman (which, by all audiophile measures, is the better music player). The Touch is a computer, plain and simple, and I'm sure most people would pay extra for a better camera and/or flash. Never heard anyone asking for a glassback or complaining about the form factor. In fact, I think it might be TOO thin.

Secondly,how many of u actually click on ur phones/mp3 players and print them.Do u actually count on ur phone while on vacations?I don't think so.even for a picnic i guess we use a digi cam.

For vacations or occasions I would bring my good camera. For daily use, it's nice to carry around something with a decent camera function. That is, unless you carry around your dedicated digicam every day.
 
I just wrote what I felt.
U got a problem?

He didn't understand.

Anyways;
If the iPod doesn't record true720p, I'm gonna hold off till next year.
For the downtime, I might get a pocket camcorder because that's essentially what the iPod is. If the quality is the same as an iPhone 4, then I might consider as it seems like the iPhone 4 has a really great 720p camera o_O.
 
I don't consider the touch a music player any more than I consider the ipad a music player. If I wanted a pure music player I would get a Walkman (which, by all audiophile measures, is the better music player). The Touch is a computer, plain and simple, and I'm sure most people would pay extra for a better camera and/or flash. Never heard anyone asking for a glassback or complaining about the form factor. In fact, I think it might be TOO thin.



For vacations or occasions I would bring my good camera. For daily use, it's nice to carry around something with a decent camera function. That is, unless you carry around your dedicated digicam every day.

I would agree on that.
Just to confirm,has there been a official word that its a 0.7MP camera or is it just we r speculating based on the resolution???
 
He didn't understand.

Anyways;
If the iPod doesn't record true720p, I'm gonna hold off till next year.
For the downtime, I might get a pocket camcorder because that's essentially what the iPod is. If the quality is the same as an iPhone 4, then I might consider as it seems like the iPhone 4 has a really great 720p camera o_O.

Agreed...
I was just going through the apple site and there they have uploaded a video which says that it has been shot by ipod touch and has not been modified in any form...Here's the link:

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/features/hd-video-recording.html
 
I already watched that video but that's not good enough for me.
I'm waiting for consumer videos before I make my decision.
 
Perhaps you missed the part where this thread is about the camera. Apple set itself up here. This camera under performs the first iPhone camera, heck it under performs a Fischer Price toy digital camera. If people are pissed, and they are, Apple only has itself to blame.

There is a difference between the image sensors used in a toy digital camera and the ones used in the iPod Touch's. Your comment holds no ground until you get one HANDS ON to test and compare to the Fischer Price toys.
 
I would agree on that.
Just to confirm,has there been a official word that its a 0.7MP camera or is it just we r speculating based on the resolution???

nope, the only thing we know about the Carma is that "still photos 960 x 720 with back cam". so we're basically guessing that's it's 0.7 from internet charts.

apple needs to clear this up and put the # of mp on their site before they lose sales or rip people off
 
Agreed...
I was just going through the apple site and there they have uploaded a video which says that it has been shot by ipod touch and has not been modified in any form...Here's the link:

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/features/hd-video-recording.html

Heh. Notice there is no link for "Camera", and it's only a footnote un video recording. No evidence of what the photos look like either. Clearly they're embarrassed about the lack of a good camera and are trying to not make a big deal about it.

I'll be getting a touch 4G, and I'll give the camera a try. We'll see how it performs.
 
Perhaps you missed the part where this thread is about the camera. Apple set itself up here. This camera under performs the first iPhone camera, heck it under performs a Fischer Price toy digital camera. If people are pissed, and they are, Apple only has itself to blame.

Good point - now can you show me a camera, and price point, that can do everything a iPod Touch can do?

I'm still waiting for a camera that I can use at night to allow me to star gaze, read news, read a book, sketch a drawing, take notes, and the what not...
 
nope, the only thing we know about the Carma is that "still photos 960 x 720 with back cam". so we're basically guessing that's it's 0.7 from internet charts.

apple needs to clear this up and put the # of mp on their site before they lose sales or rip people off

I have a hunch that's it's not even a real camera, just video freeze frames like on the Flip HD. It's sort of a moot point to give a MP listing in that case.
 
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