iPad Touch ID is still great

mebehere

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Fast. Easy. Able to register from tons of angles. I have my thumb and index finger registered horizontally from the left, from the right, same vertically.

I know Face ID is the future for iPads. But Touch ID was the best solution without compromises. Push a button... on. Face ID... pick up your iPad and point it at yourself.

And the iPad could keep very small bezels and keep the home button.

All screen is a marketing gimmick. People eat it up, but it doesn’t compare to the button.

JMO!
 

muzzy996

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I don’t want to lose TouchID either but it’s definitely not infallible. Gloves, wet hands etc.
 

mebehere

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I don’t want to lose TouchID either but it’s definitely not infallible. Gloves, wet hands etc.
Maybe on a phone. But my iPad is nice and cozy sweet, unaffected by any treacherous finger impediments.
 

akash.nu

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Been a Touch ID lover and a recent Face ID user I do agree with you. Face ID fails more often for me compared to Touch ID and also not as convenient in a lot of situations.
 
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Starfia

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Touch ID is truly awesome – as are many aspects of the iPhone so rapidly delivered to us by the smartphone industry Apple seems to have kicked into blazing speed a decade ago. It's still insane to me that even owners of three-year-old phones happen to have perfectly decent 4K cameras in their card-sized single device used for almost everything.

Anyway, enough of that.

I'm assuming Face ID will have made another advance to deserve a home in the iPad. Whether standing on a desk, sitting in a stand or being held like a book, iPads are more likely to be facing people somewhat directly when activated, aren't they? If Face ID can finally work from any rotation and work reasonably well, I'm ready for it.

(And I definitely don't think all-screen is a marketing gimmick. Any additional screen space without a bezel is a nicer image with no gain in weight or size. The 10.5" iPad Pro managed this somewhat and looked great doing it, and the phones so far look fantastic.)
 

akash.nu

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(And I definitely don't think all-screen is a marketing gimmick. Any additional screen space without a bezel is a nicer image with no gain in weight or size. The 10.5" iPad Pro managed this somewhat and looked great doing it, and the phones so far look fantastic.)
Apologies, can’t agree with that. Glass is heavier than aluminium or steel in general. That’s the main reason why the X and 8 variants are heavier than the previous models. Granted iPads might still have only glass in the front which means not a significant increase in weight, but the statement of having extra glass without increase in weight is incorrect.
 

Greenmeenie

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The problem with touch ID on the iPad, is that unlike the touch ID on the iPhone...the home button on the ipad is still a physical button prone to failure. Apple never transitioned to a fixed non physical home button like they did with the iphones before the iphone x. The home button on Every ipad i have owned has failed at some point.

I don’t have an iphone X, so i have no direct experience with Face ID. All i can go by are the reviews. For the most part, they seem to be good. But the ipad is a different beast. Larger than an iphone and used at different angles. Mostly in landscape mode. So i understand the concern.

I am very excited for the first radical redesign of the iPad, and i fully intend to buy one. But i will definitely be reading the reviews of the face ID in particular before i buy.
 
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Falhófnir

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I’m also dubious about removing Touch ID in favour of Face ID - not about convenience, angles of use or failure rates but I don’t like the idea of being constantly blasted by focused beams of IR light throughout the day (inexplicably in some iPhone X and Xs reviews the dot projector is active while face unlock, animojis etc aren’t being used which is even more alarming). I also really don’t like the idea of the ‘attention aware’ feature, how long before Apple bows to pressure from developers over allowing advertising companies to make sure you’re watching their ads before they will allow you to continue? Ad companies will undoubtedly pay a premium for this feature so it’s likely only a matter of time, and with a huge number of apps now using the free with ads model it will be a further erosion of the enjoyability of using the iOS ecosystem.
 

Starfia

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Apologies, can’t agree with that. Glass is heavier than aluminium or steel in general.
Sorry?

Why would the amount of glass used in an iOS device bear on the ratio of screen area to bezel area?
 

akash.nu

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I’m also dubious about removing Touch ID in favour of Face ID - not about convenience, angles of use or failure rates but I don’t like the idea of being constantly blasted by focused beams of IR light throughout the day (inexplicably in some iPhone X and Xs reviews the dot projector is active while face unlock, animojis etc aren’t being used which is even more alarming). I also really don’t like the idea of the ‘attention aware’ feature, how long before Apple bows to pressure from developers over allowing advertising companies to make sure you’re watching their ads before they will allow you to continue? Ad companies will undoubtedly pay a premium for this feature so it’s likely only a matter of time, and with a huge number of apps now using the free with ads model it will be a further erosion of the enjoyability of using the iOS ecosystem.
Apple being forced into doing anything has not happened over the last decade. I’m hoping that will stay.
 

akash.nu

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Sorry?

Why would the amount of glass used in an iOS device bear on the ratio of screen area to bezel area?
If the physical size stays the same and the screen has to stretch to fill up the area that used to be bezel before then the percentage of glass will increase.
 

Akrapovic

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When I had been running, TouchID failed 100% of the time until I wiped my hands. FaceID never fails after a run. I'm completely converted.
 

Starfia

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If the physical size stays the same and the screen has to stretch to fill up the area that used to be bezel before then the percentage of glass will increase.
Yes, I understand that’s what you’re saying. On all recent iPads and iPhones, doesn’t glass cover the combined total area of bezel and display? Why would subtracting some amount of bezel area and adding exactly that amount of screen area alter the amount of glass needed to cover the sum of them?
 

akash.nu

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Yes, I understand that’s what you’re saying. On all recent iPads and iPhones, doesn’t glass cover the combined total area of bezel and display? Why would subtracting some amount of bezel area and adding exactly that amount of screen area alter the amount of glass needed to cover the sum of them?
It’s not just the glass though, is it? The digitiser, the LED panel as well. It will increase weight. Maybe not much but it really depends on the actual size of the device.
 

Starfia

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It’s not just the glass though, is it? The digitiser, the LED panel as well. It will increase weight. Maybe not much but it really depends on the actual size of the device.
Okay, um… I'll take that as a concession about the glass point.

Of course it's not just the glass – it's a complex combination of all the elements. The 10.5" iPad Pro, with a smaller bezel, larger screen, and larger overall volume (not to mention more glass), has the same weight as the current 9.7" iPad. A version of the iPad Pro with a larger screen area than the 9.7" iPad but the same overall volume could theoretically weigh the same or less than it.

This kind of observation is what inspired my original point: thanks to what Apple engineers have been up to in recent years, screen size doesn't have to come at the cost of size or weight.
 
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cruisin

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It’s not just the glass though, is it? The digitiser, the LED panel as well. It will increase weight. Maybe not much but it really depends on the actual size of the device.
The minimal weight change from a slightly bigger display pales in comparison to the extra glass on the back of recent phones (glass is heavier than aluminum) and the transition to stainless steel for certain phones.

The current 9.7" iPad has 2 layers of glass for the screen and is heavier (not optically bonded screen), so the Pro can convert that weight savings to a bigger size. Plus they can fiddle with battery size or power density to meet weight requirements.
 

CTHarrryH

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I have a new iPad with touch-id and it probably works less than 50% of time with first press. My phone with Face-Id probably has failed 5 times in a year. And with cold weather with gloves and winter fingers touch-id will work even less.

Each to his/her own. I would not buy another device that only had touch-id if different was available.
 

Mabus51

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Been a Touch ID lover and a recent Face ID user I do agree with you. Face ID fails more often for me compared to Touch ID and also not as convenient in a lot of situations.
Stop entering your password. FaceID learns just swipe up again. I’ve taught mine to accept me holding my vape.
 

Kal-037

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Apple being forced into doing anything has not happened over the last decade. I’m hoping that will stay.
And why would they? They have been and are the biggest company in the world, they will never bow to anyone as they set rules and stick to their guns, (a reason many people actually don't like Apple.) They don't bend to developers, companies, or what not, just to make a bit more pocket change.


Kal.
 
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akash.nu

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And why would they? They have been and are the biggest company in the world, they will never bow to anyone as they set rules and stick to their guns, (a reason many people actually don't like Apple.) They don't bend to developers, companies, or what not, just to make a bit more pocket change.


Kal.
I like that attitude actually. They’re not fickle. They seem to know what they’re doing and clearly that works.
 

sonicrobby

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Id agree that the touch ID was great, probably more convenient too. But I couldnt look at iDevices the same with that bezel. Ill gladly accept the face ID unless they decided to move forward with the screen embedded touch ID that they used to mislead their competitors. Likely I wont even use FaceID for my iPad (assuming I get one)
 

Marshall73

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Fast. Easy. Able to register from tons of angles. I have my thumb and index finger registered horizontally from the left, from the right, same vertically.

I know Face ID is the future for iPads. But Touch ID was the best solution without compromises. Push a button... on. Face ID... pick up your iPad and point it at yourself.

And the iPad could keep very small bezels and keep the home button.

All screen is a marketing gimmick. People eat it up, but it doesn’t compare to the button.

JMO!
Touch ID was great, but when you have spent a year with Face ID, Touch ID becomes slow, clunky and unwieldily and just a damned annoyance in day to day use. I will be picking up a new iPad Pro as soon as it ships with Face ID.
 
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Dave245

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Touch ID was great but Face ID has surpassed it, I think Face ID is much better it works every time for me on my iPhone X and would love to see it on the iPad Pro. Putting Face ID on the iPad will also allow Apple to thin the bezels as well.
 
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