It seems that since Apple re-designed the refurb store, the Touch refurbs no longer say 1st generation (like it did before). If one compares the pricing, the discounts seem to be sort of based on current 2g touches (8gb, $170, $30 savings, but it is really a $50 savings off current 8g touch). If you select one to get more details (or buy) there is a little blurb on the right hand side to visit the Itunes store to BUY the 2.1 Iphone software update. That's telling me that these are in fact 1G touches. I need to purchase one or two for Christmas presents and do not want the 1g's. Thoughts? Any way to verify which gen they are? There is no mention of an internal speaker or physical volume controls.