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I think either is fine... The fact that a 1G FaceID is almost as fast as the current iteration of touch ID is kind of neat
Exactly. I find that incredibly impressive.

Couple that with all of the other benefits of the new tech (attention awareness, for example), and I’m super excited for Friday.
 
Exactly. I find that incredibly impressive.

Couple that with all of the other benefits of the new tech (attention awareness, for example), and I’m super excited for Friday.


I’m like a big kid at Christmas, honestly, I’m ridiculously excited for Friday. I cannot wait for it to come round, I love Pizza night.


.... Nah, :D obviously can’t wait to pick up my X, I’ve been wanting a radical redesign for years. I’m not about to complain now that it’s happened. Not when I actually like what they’ve done anyway. There’s some seriously geek overload tech in that phone.
 
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If it were just a “whatever” new feature on a normally priced phone then sure, a .3 slower unlock doesn’t matter. But this is the flagship feature on a $1000+ smartphone. Its price demands that it be not “as good as” what it replaces (let alone slightly slower!) but demonstrably, clearly superior. And I’ve seen nothing to suggest that.

Face ID is more secure (an academic difference; in the real world, nobody’s fooling either technology), but slightly slower (also an academic difference). It’s better in some cases (wet/dirty hands) but worse in others (face partially covered/strong direct light).

So if they just slapped this on the iPhone 8 at the regular price point, I’d be fine with it. But as “the” feature on a $1k phone, I find it underwhelming and basically no better than what it replaces, just different.
 
If it were just a “whatever” new feature on a normally priced phone then sure, a .3 slower unlock doesn’t matter. But this is the flagship feature on a $1000+ smartphone. Its price demands that it be not “as good as” what it replaces (let alone slightly slower!) but demonstrably, clearly superior. And I’ve seen nothing to suggest that.

Face ID is more secure (an academic difference; in the real world, nobody’s fooling either technology), but slightly slower (also an academic difference). It’s better in some cases (wet/dirty hands) but worse in others (face partially covered/strong direct light).

So if they just slapped this on the iPhone 8 at the regular price point, I’d be fine with it. But as “the” feature on a $1k phone, I find it underwhelming and basically no better than what it replaces, just different.

So companies should only release tech once it's perfected? Then you'd never have any new products.

Apple has also has how many year to perfect Touch ID? Not a fair comparison. Now maybe Face ID and 2013 touch ID are a better comparison; 1st gen technologies.
 
to be fair...thats 2nd generation touch ID which got lot faster. (so fast people complained) on the 6S. this is first gen face ID. better comparison would be the touch ID on the 5s or 6.

That’s senseless. Then why not compare FaceID with “swipe to unlock”?

FaceID is taking over 2nd gen TouchID, and that is the benchmark.
 
The thing is, once I get the X, I send back my 7+. So I don't have it to compare to.

Just a lot about nothing.
 
So companies should only release tech once it's perfected? Then you'd never have any new products.
Absolutely never said that. My issue is with it being pushed as a “killer feature” on a phone with a massively increased price when it’s basically a step sideways instead of a step forward. It’s like replacing an intel chip with a similarly performing AMD chip and then bragging about how amazing the new chip is and jacking up the price 40%.
 
Absolutely never said that. My issue is with it being pushed as a “killer feature” on a phone with a massively increased price when it’s basically a step sideways instead of a step forward. It’s like replacing an intel chip with a similarly performing AMD chip and then bragging about how amazing the new chip is and jacking up the price 40%.

Still hogwash. The Face ID hardware costs approx $15 per reports. The highest increased cost part, expectedly, is the OLED screen up 78% from the Plus screen to $98. $5 for wireless charging, $4 higher royalties to Qualcomm.

The vast majority of the premium is R&D and marketing to progress the tech forward. Merely looking at the end result and price is a blind consumer mentality without any consideration what goes into it behind the scenes.

Apple is making less profit on the X than any prior iphone before marketing and R&D cost, just parts vs selling price; so there is no luxury tax here.

There is/was zero way to change the iphone form factor/screen to body ratios (for the better) than to remove the home button like most devices are going to.
 
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That’s senseless. Then why not compare FaceID with “swipe to unlock”?

FaceID is taking over 2nd gen TouchID, and that is the benchmark.

I agree in parts, but I think people need to keep in mind the reaction we would have gotten if this was the *fourth* year with an iPhone 6 style design, which is what would have been required if Apple had stuck with Touch ID. People wouldn't have been happy with the fingerprint sensor on the back, either. So the reality is that sometimes small sacrifices have to be made in order to move things forward.
 
I think what many people are missing is that you're not just using Face ID for unlocking the phone. Think about how many times you get hit with a Touch ID authentication screen when performing some function - authenticating a login/app, jumping to an app from a notification, checking a widget that needs the phone unlocked, etc. Or a classic one I see daily - deleting an email from the lock screen.

Some of the reviews have made good points - shouldn't think about Face ID as a feature or something to really interact with, but more as a form of seamless authentication.

Matt Panzarino had some good tweets and video example of it too (comparing jumping to an app from notification on an X and 8):

https://twitter.com/panzer/status/925764743062679552

https://twitter.com/panzer/status/925787347806863360
 
I think what many people are missing is that you're not just using Face ID for unlocking the phone. Think about how many times you get hit with a Touch ID authentication screen when performing some function - authenticating a login/app, jumping to an app from a notification, checking a widget that needs the phone unlocked, etc. Or a classic one I see daily - deleting an email from the lock screen.

Some of the reviews have made good points - shouldn't think about Face ID as a feature or something to really interact with, but more as a form of seamless authentication.

Matt Panzarino had some good tweets and video example of it too (comparing jumping to an app from notification on an X and 8):

https://twitter.com/panzer/status/925764743062679552

https://twitter.com/panzer/status/925787347806863360
good point
 
good point

+1, i was worried about FaceID but it's now clear to me that the "unlocking the iphone" thing is just the tip of the iceberg of the thing, the true improvement in the User Experience is not in the unlocking, that is basically the same, it's the rest that it's going to improve a lot.

In the end they were right, which is not surprising considering that one should doubt that a big team of very skilled individuals would commit ansuicide on a product that accounts for half of the revenues of a trillion dollar company...
 
Not to mention the larger screen is a result of no freaking button!

Everyone wanted a finger print scanner under the glass, we'll thats fine until you have to find the area - you need to look at the screen! Which is like looking at your phone as Face ID requires. So screw the button and let the camera do its job.
 
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