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MP 7,1 TPM2.0 might be possible on Mac Pro Intel
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Bit of discussion on TPM 2.0 here:
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With various folks saying no. Let’s see how this goes.
Eventually we have to move away from macOS with our 7,1 machines. And/or find a way to support modern GPUs in macOS.
Either way is difficult. When the end is much closer maybe there will be a more concerted effort to achieve the latter.
Is there a way to enable Secure Boot for Win11 on bootcamp?
So, did you ever tested?!?
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With various folks saying no. Let’s see how this goes.
Eventually we have to move away from macOS with our 7,1 machines. And/or find a way to support modern GPUs in macOS.
Either way is difficult. When the end is much closer maybe there will be a more concerted effort to achieve the latter.
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Bit of discussion on TPM 2.0 here:
Is there a way to enable Secure Boot for Win11 on bootcamp?
So, did you ever tested?!?
With various folks saying no. Let’s see how this goes.
Eventually we have to move away from macOS with our 7,1 machines. And/or find a way to support modern GPUs in macOS.
Either way is difficult. When the end is much closer maybe there will be a more concerted effort to achieve the latter.
This is a real tool that developer is working on, we are in Beta phase and once confirmed it's working well with Mac Pro 7,1 will post it here. This will also add extra life to the 5,1 and 4,1 and 6,1 or Intel MacBook Pros.
It has the potential to extend the life of the 7,1 for anyone using Windows as well as macOS. Especially if you are gaming on the Windows side, more and more games will require TPM2.0.
I might just leave my Mac Pro as a Windows box and put the (future) Mac Studio on top of it and throw in a 5080, so TPM2.0 will be a + to have. Doesn't make sense selling the Mac Pro for pennies. And I don't want to build a new PC with part prices being so high right now and I don't personally want to have a PC next to my desk, I hate them. I'm not too worried getting the maximum performance since DLSS is a thing, I can easily game at 4k DLSS maxed out settings for a long time to come.
tommysm
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I'm the dev that's working on this. It's been a pretty intense but fun project. I pretty much have everything working TPM related. Main headache was the security side of things but everything that needs a TPM is working as it should.
startergo
macrumors 603
So now all the trust needs to be provided in you. This is not an open source and the code cannot be inspected.
Does your software provide remote attestation?
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tommysm
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Yes, the software fully supports remote attestation. It generates valid EK and SRK hierarchies.
startergo
macrumors 603
Who signs the EK certificate — what is the root CA? Is your EK cert accepted by Azure Attestation or Google Cloud Attestation?How do you prevent an attacker who owns the OS from forging quotes? Are you listed in the TCG-endorsed TPM vendor list?
tommysm
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I think there is some confusion here between silicon manufacturing and software engineering lol
To answer your question: No, I haven't opened a semiconductor foundry, so I'm not on the TCG hardware vendor list. This is a MacBook running Boot Camp. It literally does not have a TPM chip. That is the entire point of the software.
As for azure attestation, if you're running enterprise grade cloud attestation on a MacBook Windows partition, you've probably over engineered your weekend lol.
Very cool. I was able to play CoD Black Ops 7 which requires TPM2.0 with no issues on the 2019 Mac Pro 😉
Might get a 5080/5090 and turn this Mac Pro into a Windows gaming box now that TPM2.0 requirement is solved.
Might get a 5080/5090 and turn this Mac Pro into a Windows gaming box now that TPM2.0 requirement is solved.
tommysm
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Founders Edition fits, some folks have done it. I'm sure some other OEMs may fit too as long as they have the same length as the founders edition.
Update: FlexTPM works great so far on Win11 25H2. If anyone needs it for a game that requires it, give it a shot. Was able to play CoD Black Ops 7 with zero issues. All TPM checks pass.
Curious if anyone can test a VM with Anti-cheat games to see if it works as well (it should!).
Curious if anyone can test a VM with Anti-cheat games to see if it works as well (it should!).
realLucaR
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But, is TPM needed at all in the future?Bit of discussion on TPM 2.0 here:
Is there a way to enable Secure Boot for Win11 on bootcamp?
So, did you ever tested?!?
With various folks saying no. Let’s see how this goes.
Eventually we have to move away from macOS with our 7,1 machines. And/or find a way to support modern GPUs in macOS.
Either way is difficult. When the end is much closer maybe there will be a more concerted effort to achieve the latter.
You can (as of now and probably the forseeable future) just bypass it.
tommysm
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TPM2.0 can be bypassed for Windows 11 OS, but certain games require TPM2.0. They just won't launch without TPM2.0. There are already a handful of mainstream games that require TPM2.0 and that list will grow significantly.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next Windows (Windows 12??) will 100% require TPM2.0 during install and can't be bypassed. Microsoft is trying to get rid of old hardware support. There's a lot of baggage with Windows, it supports a ton of different types of hardware (older and newer) and it makes it difficult for them to innovate.
realLucaR
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True, for longevity it is probably gonna become more relevant with time.
Although it still does not impact me as of right now, I have and never will play multiplayer games, so I guess I'll be fine so far
It's not just Multiplayer games. Valorant, CoD Black Ops 7, Battlefield 6, FIFA/EA Sports FC and others require it and some of them are FPS. I wouldn't be surprised if AAA games start adding this soon to rule out old machines and add extra "DRM" style protection to their games. So it's not just for anti-cheat reasons.
FlexTPM works perfectly. Now my system is 100% compatible with Windows 11 25H2.
Anyone got Windows Hello logon working with a Studio Display?
Anyone got Windows Hello logon working with a Studio Display?
Yeah this is really cool and gives a long extra life to the 7,1 under Windows.
I'm looking for deals on a RTX5080 and once I find one I'm gonna throw it in the 7,1 and use it as a Windows machine full time and also a M5 Ultra Mac Studio will be replacing this, so it'll sit right on top of the Mac Studio with a KVM switch 🙂
I'm an occasional PC gamer, and it doesn't make sense to build a new PC (either way they're usually ugly anyway, even if you hand pick beautiful cases) and with RAM, SSD prices being astronomical, it makes more sense to keep it since it runs Windows.
TPM2.0 ability gives it extra life.
BTW PCie Gen 5 and PCIe Gen 3 (Mac Pro 7,1) don't cause huge performance impact to GPUs like a 5080/5090, only ~5% from various sources I looked at in Gaming.
I'm looking for deals on a RTX5080 and once I find one I'm gonna throw it in the 7,1 and use it as a Windows machine full time and also a M5 Ultra Mac Studio will be replacing this, so it'll sit right on top of the Mac Studio with a KVM switch 🙂
I'm an occasional PC gamer, and it doesn't make sense to build a new PC (either way they're usually ugly anyway, even if you hand pick beautiful cases) and with RAM, SSD prices being astronomical, it makes more sense to keep it since it runs Windows.
TPM2.0 ability gives it extra life.
BTW PCie Gen 5 and PCIe Gen 3 (Mac Pro 7,1) don't cause huge performance impact to GPUs like a 5080/5090, only ~5% from various sources I looked at in Gaming.
RetroDan
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Posting this on my 2019 Mac Pro, under Windows 25H2, after being stonewalled for a long time until FlexTPM kicked the doors down, tossed a middle finger at Tim Cook and Bill Gates, and took a giant steaming dump on the requirements.
Outside of a little bit of hesitation (I needed to run the PC Health Check application after installing FlexTPM before the Installation Assistant would allow me to continue installation), the upgrade from 23H2 was utterly painless. I'm seriously impressed.
Outside of a little bit of hesitation (I needed to run the PC Health Check application after installing FlexTPM before the Installation Assistant would allow me to continue installation), the upgrade from 23H2 was utterly painless. I'm seriously impressed.
@tommysm I'm not having any luck installing this on my Macbook Pro 2020 i5 with 4 thunderbolt ports. The installer doesn't proceed once the license key has been verified. No error logs are saved in the usual places so I don't even know what is going wrong. There are no pending windows updates of any type available. I've run the windows update process more than 5 times.
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