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BigPrince

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"Two men on base. Batters hits an infield fly...he is out. Man on first accidentally runs past the runner on second. He is out. The man on second gets hit by the ball while off base. He is out. Triple Play. However, who gets credited?

Exactly correct. The shortshop gets credited for all three outs though he never touched the ball, as the fielder closest to each play."


Now I know its POSSIBLE, but has this actually ever occurred. I believed it did at one point and told someone it did and I would send them a link, but now I can't find anything on it. Any help?
 
It would go to the person who caught the infield fly, or if the ball was never caught the person who first picked up the ball.

This is the only thing close that I found.
Wiki said:
Paul Hines, May 8, 1878, Providence Grays (vs. Boston Red Caps)
With runners on second and third, center fielder Hines caught a line drive from Jack Burdock that the runners thought was uncatchable. When he caught it, the runners had already both passed third. Hines stepped on third, which by the rules of the day meant both runners were out. To make sure, he threw the ball to Charlie Sweasy at second base. It is still debated whether this was truly an unassisted triple play. (Modern rules would indeed have required the ball either to be conveyed to second base to put out the runner who was on that base and had not tagged up or tag the runner coming from second base.) According to the Society for American Baseball Research, the runner coming from second, Ezra Sutton, had not yet touched third base, which would mean that even by 19th century rules the play was not complete until Hines threw to second, thus no unassisted triple play.[1] The Sporting News Baseball Record Book, which covers records back to 1876, also does not consider Hines' triple play to be unassisted, as it is not listed in the section on the subject.
 
I've never heard of such a triple play. The unassisted triple play is more uncommon (13) in modern day MLB, (1) disputed in the 19th century, than a perfect game (17). Troy Tulowitzki's unassisted in April was the 14th.

Anyway, how could no one touch the ball (fielder) and the guy on second be ruled out for the ball hitting him? Isn't it a dead ball? But if he touches the ball albeit inadverently, the ball's still touched. And if a fielder actually catches the infield fly, then it's no longer a triple play with no one touching the ball.
 
I don't think it happened or would even be called a legal play.

If it happened it would be here...http://tripleplays.sabr.org/tp_distinct.htm

The way I understand the rule is that if a runner touches the ball he is out, but then the ball is dead and the other runner goes back. But the rule is also that if the lead runner is passed by the other runner the passing runner is out. In the infield fly rule the runner that hit the ball is out automatically.

If the ball is never fielded tho I don't know how they would score the play. Would it even count?
 
Ok this might help,
Any runner is out when --
(f) He is touched by a fair ball in fair territory before the ball has touched or passed an infielder. The ball is dead and no runner may score, nor runners advance, except runners forced to advance. EXCEPTION: If a runner is touching his base when touched by an Infield Fly, he is not out, although the batter is out;
Rule 7.08(f) Comment: If two runners are touched by the same fair ball, only the first one is out because the ball is instantly dead.
If runner is touched by an Infield Fly when he is not touching his base, both runner and batter are out.
(g) He attempts to score on a play in which the batter interferes with the play at home base before two are out. With two out, the interference puts the batter out and no score counts;
(h) He passes a preceding runner before such runner is out;
If the ump rules it a triple play nobody would get the assist as nobody touched the ball. It would go as a runner violation.
 
This is a classic baseball riddle. The person who first posed it to me said that he thought maybe it had occurred once in the minor leagues. Probably everything in baseball has happened at least once somewhere, but this one has apparently never occurred anywhere in the major leagues.
 
This is a classic baseball riddle. The person who first posed it to me said that he thought maybe it had occurred once in the minor leagues. Probably everything in baseball has happened at least once somewhere, but this one has apparently never occurred anywhere in the major leagues.
I think that is one of those plays that baseball hopes never happens as they don't have an answer. I would hate to be the official scorer during that play.
 
i have never heard of this happening, although recently here in CO there was an unassisted tripple play (ie the shortstop single handedly made a tripple play)

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_5780811

apparently only the 12th in the history of baseball.

but the point of the infield fly rule is to limit the number of players which can be called out. basically once the batter is called out, the play is over and the runners have to return to the bases they started at. this way the fielder doesnt intentially 'miss' the pop fly in order to pick it off the ground to make a double, or tripple play.
 
but the point of the infield fly rule is to limit the number of players which can be called out. basically once the batter is called out, the play is over and the runners have to return to the bases they started at. this way the fielder doesnt intentially 'miss' the pop fly in order to pick it off the ground to make a double, or tripple play.
MLB Rules said:
An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out. The pitcher, catcher and any outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders for the purpose of this rule.
When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall immediately declare “Infield Fly” for the benefit of the runners. If the ball is near the baselines, the umpire shall declare “Infield Fly, if Fair.”
The ball is alive and runners may advance at the risk of the ball being caught, or retouch and advance after the ball is touched, the same as on any fly ball. If the hit becomes a foul ball, it is treated the same as any foul.
If a declared Infield Fly is allowed to fall untouched to the ground, and bounces foul before passing first or third base, it is a foul ball. If a declared Infield Fly falls untouched to the ground outside the baseline, and bounces fair before passing first or third base, it is an Infield Fly.
Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly) Comment: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infielder—not by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the base lines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpire’s judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder. The infield fly is in no sense to be considered an appeal play. The umpire’s judgment must govern, and the decision should be made immediately.
When an infield fly rule is called, runners may advance at their own risk. If on an infield fly rule, the infielder intentionally drops a fair ball, the ball remains in play despite the provisions of Rule 6.05 (L). The infield fly rule takes precedence.
The runners can move at their own risk
6.05(l) An infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive, with first, first and second, first and third, or first, second and third base occupied before two are out. The ball is dead and runner or runners shall return to their original base or bases;
APPROVED RULING: In this situation, the batter is not out if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground, except when the Infield Fly rule applies.
 
I've never heard of such a triple play. The unassisted triple play is more uncommon (13) in modern day MLB, (1) disputed in the 19th century, than a perfect game (17). Troy Tulowitzki's unassisted in April was the 14th.

Off topic, but which is more uncommon, a perfect game, or a no-hitter in which the pitcher faces the minimum 27 batters?
 
Off topic, but which is more uncommon, a perfect game, or a no-hitter in which the pitcher faces the minimum 27 batters?
That I've read, 233 no-hitters have been thrown in major league history. Only 17 of those 233 were perfect games, since a perfect game would also be a "no-no".

MacNut's quick.....for a babe. :p
 
A perfect game is harder because it means no runners get on base. A no hitter means no hits but a batter got a walk. A no hitter would mean that more then 27 batters get to the plate.
 
A perfect game is harder because it means no runners get on base. A no hitter means no hits but a batter got a walk. A no hitter would mean that more then 27 batters get to the plate.

no no no. Like what happened in Chicago a couple of weeks ago. Mark Buehrle threw a no-hitter, one man walked, but Buehrle picked him off first. So he faced 27 hitters.

I know this has happened before, and sometimes the pitchers will even get listed under the perfect game heading, albeit with an asterick.

I would guess this is even more uncommon than a perfect game, but I don't know for sure, hence the question.

In other trivia, anyone know what the most strike outs in (half of) an inning are? It's more than three.
 
Any number of walked batters could be erased in double plays, and the pitcher not face over the minimum. Technically, not a perfect game, though.
 
In other trivia, anyone know what the most strike outs in (half of) an inning are? It's more than three.

I know a number have struck out four. More than four is awfully unlikely, since the catcher must drop strike three and the runner reach first safely. If first is occupied the batter isn't eligible to run.

Edit: Found the information. No pitcher has struck out more than four batters in an inning in a major league game. However Joe Niekro once struck out five in an exhibition game in 1977. Figures it had to be a knuckle-baller. Several minor league pitchers have managed this freakish feat, most recently, Kelly Wunsch in 1994, when he was pitching for the Beloit Brewers. (He pitched for the Dodgers a couple of seasons ago.)
 
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