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Very happy to hear this, this takeover would have been really bad for consumers.
 
Nokia got dubiously crushed.

Nokia did it to themselves by cost cutting and removing the 3d accelerator and not having enough RAM in the n96 and n97.

The N95 and N95 8Gb were brilliant phones...as was the n900 linux Maemo based phone but that was too experimental, too late.

I loved my n900 As you can see :D
 
Why is it every time I say something against Agent Orange, his supporters assume I’m a liberal?

There are real conservatives, independents and especially libertarians that are against agent orange.

Libertarians are just extreme right wingers
 
So torn.

On one hand - probably a good decision.

Which leads me to the other hand - with Trump, you almost always have to assume an ulterior motive.
We'll probably find out that one of his investor buddies, or he himself shorted Broadcom... Just like Icahn and the steel tariffs.
 
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Why equate a Chinese company to a company based in the US with its address in Singapore?

Foreign ownership means that their motivation is always in doubt. The world is changing, and the US is realizing that there are countries that are playing a longer game than the US can handle. It's probably already too late, but better late than never.
 
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I don't often agree with the Trump administration, but based on the information provided in this article it seems like a reasonable action. I also support the proposed tariffs, since they are imposed on our goods quite substantially and is the reason iPhones cost so much in some countries. I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 
Europe's biggest phone company was Nokia and got crushed. Canada's biggest phone company RIM got crushed. Samsung only became relevant by ripping off Apple.

There's a reason the USA is number 1.

And the USA gave it all to China. We aren't number one at anything anymore. Due to the need to kill organized labor, America's manufacturing core was slaughtered. China, and other suspect countries not make nearly everything that we use in this country. How safe is any of that? I've read articles saying that China has hacked almost everything they have made, and even tweaked firmware and microcode to allow their access to any data going through the system. The farm was given away for handfuls of money. It's a damned shame...

Actually America is number one in the number of people in prison, the number of people who totally doubt science, the number of people killed by handguns, and the inequity between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'. America is becoming a laughingstock in the world. How far we've fallen...
 
So torn.

On one hand - probably a good decision.

Which leads me to the other hand - with Trump, you almost always have to assume an ulterior motive.
Jesus Christ; can't you leave partisan politics out of it and just be happy for a good decision? Or are you so dumb you've fallen for Republican/Trump = Bad"?
 
I don't often agree with the Trump administration, but based on the information provided in this article it seems like a reasonable action. I also support the proposed tariffs, since they are imposed on our goods quite substantially and is the reason iPhones cost so much in some countries. I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The tariffs are a smoke screen, a scam. America makes just as much steel as we always have, it's just far more automated and requires less workers. The tariffs will only make goods more expensive, and that will kill the bottom half of American society. Not to mention the retaliatory moves sure to come from America's other trading partners. And who actually is going to pay in this scam? Canada. We import far more steel from Canada than China.

The tariffs are all bravado, and stupidity, and we will ALL pay for that ridiculous move.

But it played well on Fox News.
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Jesus Christ; can't you leave partisan politics out of it and just be happy for a good decision? Or are you so dumb you've fallen for Republican/Trump = Bad"?

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Ever heard that? How about once bitten, twice shy?

Name me one solid good thing that this administration has done that hasn't either been a total bodge, or enriched his family. It's like that roast at Nerd Prom really got under his skin, and he's pulling out all the stops to make sure that the country pays for the first black president insulting him. It's right to question his motives. This 'broken clock' hasn't been right yet. Now it is? Why? What caused them to take this seriously, when they have poo-pooed everything else.
 
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The tariffs are a smoke screen, a scam. America makes just as much steel as we always have, it's just far more automated and requires less workers. The tariffs will only make goods more expensive, and that will kill the bottom half of American society. Not to mention the retaliatory moves sure to come from America's other trading partners. And who actually is going to pay in this scam? Canada. We import far more steel from Canada than China.

The tariffs are all bravado, and stupidity, and we will ALL pay for that ridiculous move.

But it played well on Fox News.
I'm from the UK so I could be completely out of my depth here, but:

Tariffs on steel; Trump has placed these on imports. OK. What's the difference if these imports come from China or Canada? They are all outside of the US aren't they? Canada is a separate country and China is a separate country. Just because the US is physically connected to Canada is that the difference? If so why is that important?

I genuinely don't understand the argument.
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The tariffs are a smoke screen, a scam. America makes just as much steel as we always have, it's just far more automated and requires less workers. The tariffs will only make goods more expensive, and that will kill the bottom half of American society. Not to mention the retaliatory moves sure to come from America's other trading partners. And who actually is going to pay in this scam? Canada. We import far more steel from Canada than China.

The tariffs are all bravado, and stupidity, and we will ALL pay for that ridiculous move.

But it played well on Fox News.
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Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you. Ever heard that? How about once bitten, twice shy?

Name me one solid good thing that this administration has done that hasn't either been a total bodge, or enriched his family. It's like that roast at Nerd Prom really got under his skin, and he's pulling out all the stops to make sure that the country pays for the first black president insulting him. It's right to question his motives. This 'broken clock' hasn't been right yet. Now it is? Why? What caused them to take this seriously, when they have poo-pooed everything else.
 
So torn.

On one hand - probably a good decision.

Which leads me to the other hand - with Trump, you almost always have to assume an ulterior motive.

In this case, and in the absence of additional information, I'm assuming that ulterior motive is to ensure that critical infrastructure (e.g. 5G) remains in the hands of the US. Seems reasonable to me.
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Name me one solid good thing that this administration has done that hasn't either been a total bodge, or enriched his family. It's like that roast at Nerd Prom really got under his skin, and he's pulling out all the stops to make sure that the country pays for the first black president insulting him. It's right to question his motives. This 'broken clock' hasn't been right yet. Now it is? Why? What caused them to take this seriously, when they have poo-pooed everything else.

Reasonable people can have vastly different perspectives. Personally I detest how Trump has no verbal filter, but overall am pleased with what he has done. Between Tax Cuts, eliminating unconstitutional components of ObamaCare (though I don't necessarily want it fully repealed either), his focus on improving legal immigration / blocking illegal immigration, and creating an economic environment where US business can thrive and grow, I think he's done a remarkably good job. Has he also done dumb stuff? Yep. That makes him no different from any other President.
 
Name me one solid good thing that this administration has done that hasn't either been a total bodge, or enriched his family. It's like that roast at Nerd Prom really got under his skin, and he's pulling out all the stops to make sure that the country pays for the first black president insulting him. It's right to question his motives. This 'broken clock' hasn't been right yet. Now it is? Why? What caused them to take this seriously, when they have poo-pooed everything else.
Again from the UK so not an American perspective but:

Barack Obama's, the 44th President of the United States, Mother was a white women from Wichita, Kansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham) . This makes him mixed race .
50% white
50% Black (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.)
I find it funny that you can say say he's the "first black president" when really he's the same amount of white as black (both 50%)
But I guess "Barack Obama, the 44th President" doesn't sit well with your agenda?
 
Nokia did it to themselves by cost cutting and removing the 3d accelerator and not having enough RAM in the n96 and n97.

The N95 and N95 8Gb were brilliant phones...as was the n900 linux Maemo based phone but that was too experimental, too late.

I loved my n900 As you can see :D
That was not the downfall of Nokia.
 
That's not true. It's produced in a Free Trade Zone, which exempts it from many of its domestic investment laws.

Sorry your comment is not true - Elon Musk will not hold 100% as he thought. You don't seem to be up to date on the news unless this suddenly changed in the last 5 days.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/0...something-chinas-auto-industry-protectionism/
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I'm from the UK so I could be completely out of my depth here, but:

Tariffs on steel; Trump has placed these on imports. OK. What's the difference if these imports come from China or Canada? They are all outside of the US aren't they? Canada is a separate country and China is a separate country. Just because the US is physically connected to Canada is that the difference? If so why is that important?

I genuinely don't understand the argument.
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I live in the UK too and following the news you would know that the tariffs do not apply to Canada Mexico or Australia.
 
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Yay, now the bombardment with Boradcom/Qualcomm investor proxy votes will end. I got two packets on the acquisition and then ballots in the mail every week. I own one share, don't really care.
 
I'm from the UK so I could be completely out of my depth here, but:

Tariffs on steel; Trump has placed these on imports. OK. What's the difference if these imports come from China or Canada? They are all outside of the US aren't they? Canada is a separate country and China is a separate country. Just because the US is physically connected to Canada is that the difference? If so why is that important?

I genuinely don't understand the argument.

The argument is that trump thinks that China is 'dumping' steel onto the American market, and hurting 'American Workers', when according to the figures I saw late last week, America imports less than 6% of the steel it does import from China. the rest of the imported steel comes from 'friendly' nations, like out overly civil neighbor to the north.

It's another 'fire,open eyes,aim' bit of dip-lomacy by someone who has no idea how the world markets work. There hasn't been a trade war in this country for decades, and it's because the last time someone tried that the world handed us our butts on a paper plate. Employment is likely to plummet, and costs are going to go up. There are no winners in trade wars, and if he was a 'Great Businessman (tm)' he'd already know that. Perhaps he wants to poke at China with a stick and see what happens. I don't think anyone is ready for what could happen. America isn't their biggest trading partner anymore. If the world switches to another currency, and dumps the US dollar, we are going to be effectively ditched at the prom. We could be a third world nation in 2 years. YIPPEE!!!
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In this case, and in the absence of additional information, I'm assuming that ulterior motive is to ensure that critical infrastructure (e.g. 5G) remains in the hands of the US. Seems reasonable to me.
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Reasonable people can have vastly different perspectives. Personally I detest how Trump has no verbal filter, but overall am pleased with what he has done. Between Tax Cuts, eliminating unconstitutional components of ObamaCare (though I don't necessarily want it fully repealed either), his focus on improving legal immigration / blocking illegal immigration, and creating an economic environment where US business can thrive and grow, I think he's done a remarkably good job. Has he also done dumb stuff? Yep. That makes him no different from any other President.

The effects of trump creating an 'economic environment where business can thrive and grow' are going to out last most of the people reading this. His treatment of every regulating agency has been downright draconian! Any regulation proposed or approved by Obama is gone, or on the way out. The EPA action costs to American health will be epic, and will needlessly kill and sicken hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Chemical handling regulations are weakened, food regulations are weakened, medical research regulations are weakened, name an agency, it's hobbled and toothless.

It wasn't an election, it was a corporate/Russia coup d'état! They are getting everything they want. Even Wall Street has 'cashed in' on this recklessness. No, trump is ruining the regulatory structure of government, and also many of the checks and balances. Every America will pay for many years for the destruction that he has done to our democracy.

The lists of his damage are out there. Take a look. It's impressive, for such a short time in office.
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Again from the UK so not an American perspective but:

Barack Obama's, the 44th President of the United States, Mother was a white women from Wichita, Kansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham) . This makes him mixed race .
50% white
50% Black (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.)
I find it funny that you can say say he's the "first black president" when really he's the same amount of white as black (both 50%)
But I guess "Barack Obama, the 44th President" doesn't sit well with your agenda?

I don't know why you would think I was being racist.
 
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Sorry your comment is not true - Elon Musk will not hold 100% as he thought. You don't seem to be up to date on the news unless this suddenly changed in the last 5 days.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/0...something-chinas-auto-industry-protectionism/
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I live in the UK too and following the news you would know that the tariffs do not apply to Canada Mexico or Australia.

I don’t understand, your link confirmed what I said. Any car foreign owned car companies that want to avoid import tariffs must start a joint venture with a Chinese company that has a 50% ownership. China’s Free Trade Zones exempt this requirements, but treats anything produced in the zone as a foreign produced good.

Tesla will produce in Shanghai Free Trade Zone, in which Tesla will be not be required to form a joint company, but the down side is Tesla will face import tariffs.
 
always have a good laugh reading comments from articles like this one, where trump opposition tries not to make it seem too obvious when they agree with him on something.

"this is probably a good thing, but it's by the trump administration, so it's definitely a bad thing."

if trump was to tweet about cancer being bad, then his opposition would try to convince everyone that cancer is good.
 
The effects of trump creating an 'economic environment where business can thrive and grow' are going to out last most of the people reading this. His treatment of every regulating agency has been downright draconian! Any regulation proposed or approved by Obama is gone, or on the way out. The EPA action costs to American health will be epic, and will needlessly kill and sicken hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Chemical handling regulations are weakened, food regulations are weakened, medical research regulations are weakened, name an agency, it's hobbled and toothless.

It wasn't an election, it was a corporate/Russia coup d'état! They are getting everything they want. Even Wall Street has 'cashed in' on this recklessness. No, trump is ruining the regulatory structure of government, and also many of the checks and balances. Every America will pay for many years for the destruction that he has done to our democracy.

The lists of his damage are out there. Take a look. It's impressive, for such a short time in office.

We could probably have a long and healthy debate about many of these points, and there are valid arguments on both sides, but that's a discussion best left for sitting face to face with a couple of cold beers. Instead, I'll offer a different perspective. Regulations are good. Under-regulating is bad. So is over-regulating. Perhaps this is just a necessary "correction" to force a reset. Getting rid of more extreme regulations resets the playing field and forces us to look at things with a fresh perspective. Should new regulations be created? Absolutely! Should they be more balanced? Absolutely!

The challenge in any democratic society is to keep the pendulum from swinging too far either way. Restrictive is just as bad as Unrestricted. Balance is the key.

Regarding your assertion that these changes will "kill and sicken hundreds of thousands, if not millions"... is that perhaps a bit melodramatic? Will some people get sick that would otherwise not? Probably. Will some people be helped that would otherwise not? Probably. Again, balance is the key.
 
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