TSMC May Supply 30% of A9 Chip Orders for Next-Generation iPhone

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    Earlier this month, a report indicated that Samsung would produce the A9 chip for the next-generation iPhone. Now, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, a reliable source on Apple's future plans, says that he expects Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) to supply 30% of the chip orders for the next-generation iPhone. This is the latest turn in what has become a back-and-forth affair in determining the companies that will supply A9 chips for next-generation iPhones.

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    Kuo notes that GlobalFoundries, Samsung's manufacturing partner, has thus far had an unstable yield rate of 30% for the A9 chip, which is below the 50% yield rate that is required for mass production. Bringing TSMC into the chip-supplying fold calms some of the uncertainties of Apple. Additionally, TSMC's 16-nanometer process has exceeded Apple's expectations.

    Alternatively, the Cupertino company is worried that the success of the the Samsung Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge, which use Samsung's advanced 14-nanometer process for their chips, will mean that Apple won't be able to book enough chips from Samsung for the next-generation iPhone. Thus, Apple is turning toward TSMC to complement the supplies from both Samsung and GlobalFoundries.

    However, over the past couple of months there has been confusion and conflicting reports over the production of the A9 chip in Apple's next-generation devices. In December, a report indicated that Samsung had begun producing A9 chips. In the same month, another report indicated TSMC would be the main supplier for A9 chips in the next iPhone. Then, in January, Kuo expected TSMC to only provide A9X chips for the next-generation iPad. Finally, earlier this month, another report indicated that Samsung and partner GlobalFoundries would become the supplier for the A9 chip.

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    Not sure why these rumors persist. They've never been proven to have the same chip fabbed at different houses like this before, and it's very unlikely because their development time nearly doubles. They'd also have to have a design ready that they never intend to use unless one supplier has insufficient yield.
     
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    I agree that there always seems to be rumors like this. However, where there is smoke....

    I think it only makes sense for Apple to keep trying to get other sources for their chips. At a minimum it gives them some negotiating power with samsung. More importantly having a sole source can be a weak link in the supply chain. It is always better if they can have multiple vendors providing the same component. If one vendor has a strike, or is otherwise unable to provide the component, it is good to have another vendor able to pick up some or all of the slack.

    So Apple should be working on this. Regardless of what we think about samsung as a competitor, it just not make sense to have them as the sole source for critical components of Apple products, even in the best case scenario.
     
  4. Edd.Dantes macrumors 6502

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    *****, I was looking forward to that 14nm Samsung chip #

    Not to mention their new RAM and NAND.
     
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    Single source is just how the SoC business works. It would take significant manpower to tape out a chip on two processes in the same time as one process.
     
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    I wouldn't be shocked if they already have test chips with both companies (or are working with each of them to lay it out).

    We have had chips that can be fabbed at multiple foundries, but this is at a bigger 40nm with wider margins that allow it more easily.
     
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    We know Apple does custom layout optimization that would be difficult to normalize across processes.
     
  8. Edd.Dantes macrumors 6502

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    I'm super happy that Samsung is doing so well with the S6, it's a nice phone, but Apple and its 100+ billion in the bank... They need to reserve space and stop shopping chip sources.

    I know they got ******** with the whole Samsung lawsuit thing but they are the only fab, besides Intel, that can push the envelope... Which, ironically, is about to hit a wall.

    Apple is smart not to have bought a chip house because of the serious issues coming but damn, the customers don't get the best parts because they like to "diversify" their supply chain. 2nm isn't much but it's 2nm. That could be the difference in a few MHz or a few minutes in battery life. Also, I'm rusty on fab tech but there may be benefits of one FinFET over the other?

    Mods, how is "b u t t h u r t" an expletive?
     
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    I'm wondering if the A9X will be ready as a desktop class CPU or if we have to wait for one more generation.
     
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    Perhaps there's a little bit of politics to these reports. For instance, if word gets back to Samsung that Apple might farm out production to TSMC, then Samsung might try to sweeten the pot a bit to keep Apple's contract. And the same goes for TSMC. Apple is looking for the most favorable deal, and playing the two companies off of each other might be a negotiation strategy.
     
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    I know nothing about chip manufacturing but it seems ridiculously stupid for Apple to rely on one manufacturer when that one is also its biggest competitor. It would be worth putting in the money to develop processes at multiple foundries to ensure sufficient supply.
     
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    What does that even mean?
     
  14. Edd.Dantes, Apr 19, 2015
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    Unless Samsung really doesn't have the yield/capacity. The S6 will probably be their best selling phone in 2-3 years. I'm not sure how difficult it is/was for them to achieve their 14nm process but we know it hit Intel pretty hard. I know this is ARM architecture but the node is the same. What I don't know is how many transistors a 50 series Cortex or Apple A series contain.

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    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-iphone-6-plus-review,3976-5.html

    If the A8 has roughly 2 billion transistors and the SD 805 has around 700 million, it's safe to assume that Samsun may not be able to handle A9 production. In theory, that would put the Exynos 7420 between 1-1.5 billion transistors. The A9 could be 50-100% more than that, depending on a ton of factors. Highly unlikely to be 100%.
    My point is, yields for the Exynos would be much better than the A9.

    Ah, who knows. We will just have to wait and see.
     

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